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David Trobisch was a Theological Seminary professor and he is an author. On Paul and Marcion
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Steefen
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November 27, 2024 - 7:47 pm

@Robert

Chast said:
If we accept the hypothesis that the Letter to the Laodiceans existed and was authored by Paul, it was likely written around the same time as Colossians, which places it in the same timeframe as Philippians. However, since Philippians is well-documented and attested in early Christian tradition, it is reasonable to conclude that it was written first or at least preserved more widely. The Letter to the Laodiceans—if it ever existed—is considered lost or perhaps incorporated into another Pauline letter, such as Ephesians.

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November 27, 2024 - 7:53 pm

Robert:

Note what Bart says about this version here:

“Apart from the opening line, drawn from Gal. 1:1, the borrowings are almost exclusively from Philippians.”

The opening line of Laodicians is Gal. 1:1 and the rest are from Philippians? ? ? ?

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November 27, 2024 - 10:55 pm

Trobisch did not give justice to Marcion’s biography; for example, Marcion’s career would have given him access to knowing what was going on with Christianity in different areas of the region. I got that from Jason Beduhn’s book, The First New Testament.

Second, because Josephus mentioned a Paul-like character, if it really wasn’t Paul, I think that Paul-like/Josephus=like character could have written the Pauline Letters before we have to go to Marcion writing the Pauline Letters.

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December 3, 2024 - 9:46 am

Josephus does mention Paul in the Testimonium Flavianum

The wise guy eh.

The Jewish court records and Roman court records were destroyed during the great fire of Rome 64AD the Jewish Roman war 70AD. Josephus doesn’t have any records of this incident between Peter, Paul and Nero before both are executed. Josephus doesn’t elaborate on the great fire of Rome and Nero. Revelation 13 tells about it. Revelation 16 is about the seven churches of Paul. Revelation 17 about Mary Magdalene and the Jesus resurrection myth mystery in the seven churches and ten loyal apostles who believed her stories about the tomb and resurrection.

That’s how religions and cults go. They find out or hear rumors that the leader wasn’t who they thought he was.

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