I imagine that some shepherds have died trying to protect their sheep.
1 Samuel 17 (NIV)
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32 David said to Saul,
“Let no one lose heart on account of this Philistine [Goliath];
your servant will go and fight him.”
33 Saul replied,
“You are not able to go out against this Philistine and fight him;
you are only a young man,
and he has been a warrior from his youth.”
34 But David said to Saul,
“Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep.
When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock,
35 I went after it, struck it
and rescued the sheep from its mouth.
When it turned on me,
I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it.
36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear;
this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them,
because he has defied the armies of the living God.
37 The Lord who rescued me
from the paw of the lion
and the paw of the bear
will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”
Saul said to David,
“Go, and the Lord be with you.”
I imagine that some shepherds have died trying to protect their sheep.
I think that Athanasius pushed The Shepherd of Hermas to replace the true shepherd, Jesus ** you do not have permission to see this link **, and labeled him as both a sheep and a lion, while Peter’s epistle states that the devil is a lion 1 Peter 5:8.
- He validated their theology: He essentially told the East, “The end-times framework, the visions, and the two-resurrection mindset found in the Shepherd are perfectly safe and orthodox for beginners to learn.” [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
- He removed their excuse to ban Revelation: Once the East accepted that The Shepherd’s apocalyptic timeline was good for catechumens, they could no longer argue that the Book of Revelation’s similar timeline was a dangerous heresy. [** you do not have permission to see this link **]
By forcing the title of the Shepherd onto an angelic figure in Hermas’s book, Athanasius effectively stripped the title from Jesus in that context, leaving Jesus to be viewed strictly as the sacrificial Lamb and Sheep within the canon he created.
“Peter’s epistle states that the devil is a lion”
Is it bad to compare God to a:
lion?
moth?
Hosea 5 (NIV)
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9 Ephraim will be laid waste
on the day of reckoning.
Among the tribes of Israel
I proclaim what is certain.
10 Judah’s leaders are like those
who move boundary stones.
I will pour out my wrath on them
like a flood of water.
11 Ephraim is oppressed,
trampled in judgment,
intent on pursuing idols.
12 I am like a moth to Ephraim,
like rot to the people of Judah.
…
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
like a great lion to Judah.
I will tear them to pieces and go away;
I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them.
15 Then I will return to my lair
until they have borne their guilt
and seek my face—
in their misery
they will earnestly seek me.”
DavidFord said
“It is not if your god is the devil”
If one’s God _isn’t_ “the devil,”
is it bad to compare that God to a:
lion?
moth?
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- The Lion as the Devil: In 1 Peter 5:8, the Bible explicitly warns:
“Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”
- The Moth as God: In Hosea 5:12, God Himself speaks and says:
“I am like a moth to Ephraim, like rot to the people of Judah.”
- The Lion as the Devil: In 1 Peter 5:8, the Bible explicitly warns:
“you think the lion is automatically better”
Not that I know of.
What exact words of mine are you viewing?
“if we look at the actual Biblical text… the lion is used to describe the devil”
In the Bible, is God ever likened to a lion?
“the moth is used to describe God. … The Moth as God: In Hosea 5:12, God Himself speaks and says: ‘I am like a moth to Ephraim, like rot to the people of Judah.’ …the moth represents God working quietly, patiently, and from the inside out”
Do you believe that Hosea 5:12 depicts “God working quietly, patiently, and from the inside out”?
DavidFord said
“Peter’s epistle states that the devil is a lion”
Is it bad to compare God to a:
lion?
moth?
Hosea 5 (NIV)
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9 Ephraim will be laid waste
on the day of reckoning.
Among the tribes of Israel
I proclaim what is certain.
10 Judah’s leaders are like those
who move boundary stones.
I will pour out my wrath on them
like a flood of water.
11 Ephraim is oppressed,
trampled in judgment,
intent on pursuing idols.
12 I am like a moth to Ephraim,
like rot to the people of Judah.
…
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
like a great lion to Judah.
I will tear them to pieces and go away;
I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them.
15 Then I will return to my lair
until they have borne their guilt
and seek my face—
in their misery
they will earnestly seek me.”
I think that is their perception God is as lion or moth, when in fact it is wrong to identify our God with such terms. The devil is as a lion, and the moth has no authority in the heavenly kingdom.
The lion is the devil according to ** you do not have permission to see this link **, and the moth is the false god. Or, if you prefer that is their [wrong] perception only. What do you think? For me, it was interesting when you offered moth to replace lion, here:
DavidFord said
“It is not if your god is the devil”
If one’s God _isn’t_ “the devil,”
is it bad to compare that God to a:
lion?
moth?
It is bad from my perspective, but HOSEA is pointing out theirs.
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