“The second death is being in a state of reprobation after being ‘saved'”
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“Paul is the first source for the hypothetical second death”
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Targum Psalms 49:9b-11
_The Targum of Psalms_ (2004), 254pp., on 102
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9. … and his misery and punishment would cease for ever,
10. and he would yet live for ever
and not see the judgment of Gehenna.
11. For the wise one shall see the wicked being judged^n in Gehenna;
the foolish and the demented shall perish together,
and leave their wealth to the righteous.
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mtdnyn; M [fancy P]^110 dmytyn mytwt’ tnyn’ wmtdnyn,
“who die the second death,
and are being judged.”
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Targum Deuteronomy 33:6
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Let Reuben live in this world,
nor die the second death
which the wicked die in the world to come;
and let his youths be numbered with
the young men of his brethren of Beth Israel.
The “world to come” was the world after the Jewish Roman Wars and the revealing of the new covenant. That’s the mystery that Paul, Peter, and John reveal in the epistles. You have some 21 epistles in the NT that detail out the new covenant. The word epistle is synonymous with a letter, command. The epistles are the new commandments and new covenant that fulfill the Old Testament law. There’s no reason to be trying to squeeze the 616 Laws of Moses and the Levites back into the NT epistles new covenant. You have the OT to make more sense of the NT references of the OT characters like Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and the prophets ect.
epistle: letter of law, a command
they are the laws of life, and not the laws of death from the OT.
David Ford showed Deuteronomy 33:6 from the Targum which contains a clause not found in the KJV:Masoreic.
The said Targum verse mentions a “second death” which is also in Revelation 20 (as this thread is expanding on the other thread about Revelation and Jewish apocalypse(ism) **sorry i dont know how to spell it
I see that some of the books cost $100. And that was for only one book of the OT. $40,000 for the entire thing?
I never even heard of the Targum before until this Forum. 🤷♂️ it all new to me 🫤
Synopsis
The four gospels (good messages) lay down the reasoning why the OT Covenant law and prophecy had been fulfilled. The Epistles (messages of commands from the messengers) lay down the new laws of the New Covenant.
Jews have the option of keeping their Old Covenant or accepting the New Covenant which no longer requires the animal sacrices, death penalty, and eye for an eye-tooth for a tooth, indentured servitude and slavery because that LAW had been fulfilled by the Crucifixion and the PROPHETS had been fulfilled by the Resurrection.
“Jews have the option of keeping their Old Covenant or accepting the New Covenant which no longer requires the animal sacrices, death penalty, and eye for an eye-tooth for a tooth, indentured servitude and slavery”
The Old Covenant is null and void, having been replaced by a better, New Covenant.
Even when it was around, nobody except for Jesus could keep the Old Covenant.
A new tribal law as the groups of churches:christians were called “tribes” in the history books by Josephus.
A new tribal law from the priesthood of Melchizedek. As Melchizedek is considered to be before the Levites and Law of Moses because Abraham had paid homage to him.
A new tribal law as the Exodus into the Wilderness and the Era of Judges were afterwards before the united kingdom of Israel under the House of David.
A new tribal law for life within the Roman Empire.
The new tribal law that governs the new churches:tribes.
Law and religion are the same word at that time, called a covenant.
η διαθηκη.
η καινη διαθηκη is a phrase in the epistles 2 Corinthian chapter 3, 2 Corinthians 3:6. The chapter is greatly significant to understanding what some, Paul and the early church had thought of or been taught about the OT (LXX). Cannot say or summarize exactly accurate for everyone because people will have different interpretations and understandings like most everything else.
At the least, they had reasoned the ancient books as being fulfilled within their hearts and minds which is the truth.
“What does Matthew 28:20 mean? Has the age already come to pass?”
The Old Covenant world/age passed away by the end of AD 70.
‘Amen’ can mean ‘continuing.’
So a better rendition is,
‘I am with you always, even to the end of the ages/worlds, continuing.’
Matthew 28:20 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
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“And instruct them to keep everything whatever I have commanded you,
and behold, I am with you every day, even unto the end of time. Amen”
Do you believe the Greek Mark 4:11-12 accurately presents what Jesus spoke in Aramaic?
Do you detect in the Greek a mistranslation of Jesus’ Aramaic?
Mark 4 (Berean Literal)
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9 And He was saying,
“He who has ears to hear,
let him hear.”
10 And when He was alone, those around Him with the Twelve began asking Him about the parable.
11 And He was saying to them,
“To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God,
but to those who are outside,
everything is done in parables,
12 so that,
‘Seeing, they might see and not perceive;
and hearing, they might hear and not understand;
lest ever they should turn,
and they should be forgiven.’”
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i only began to study greek almost a year ago, and only study greek and english. i do not know anything about the Semitic languages. 🤷♂️
see’ers’ see and not know what they see,
hear’ers’ hear and not know what they hear.
It’s like the Tower of Babel before the Days of Noah. Or after, whatever the correct order of events was. Tower of Babel should occur before The Flood.
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