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Revelation 20 and Jewish Apocalypticism
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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 2:23 pm

I don’t many military options here in the USA other than to support Christianity because the Nation was begotten on virtues that people should be able to read the Bible in a language other than Latin or Hebrew and not be subject to a Jewish Zionism or a Roman Catholic Church that only wanted Latin to be a language and prefers the Hebrew language scriptures over the Greek language scriptures. I’ve already sworn in on my military oaths to defend the Constitution to the point of death if necessary.

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DavidFord

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March 11, 2025 - 3:09 pm

“Christian preterist interpretation of the book of Daniel”
Jay Rogers, _In The Days of These Kings: The Book of Daniel in Preterist Perspective_ (2024)

Jay Rogers, _The Prophecy of Daniel in Preterist Perspective: The Easy Parts and the Hard Parts_ (2024)

Milton Terry (1840-1914), _The Apocalypse of John: A Preterist Commentary on the Book of Revelation_

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DavidFord

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March 11, 2025 - 4:16 pm

“The Jews winning the Jewish Roman Wars was the Old Testament prophecy.
The New Testament is the opposite.
The Son of Man coming in clouds of the sky was not that Old Testament meaning.
It was however often interpreted as being that Old Testament prophecy after the Jewish Roman Wars. 👎”
What are some OT prophecies that envisioned a messianic figure that was:
triumphant?
beaten down?

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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 6:46 pm

That would be the Suffering Servant. ISAIAH was not included in my list of Ezekiel, Daniel, Zechariah.

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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 6:56 pm

The prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah were fulfilled between the time of destruction of the First Temple and construction of the Second Temple.

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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 7:12 pm

That, according to Ezra, who also is the suspect of having written the latter chapters of Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zechariah with the victorious end for the Israelites instead of the doom and gloom of Isaiah and Jeremiah.

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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 8:56 pm

The Lake of ΠΥΡ

Revelation 20:14

εις την λιμνην του πυρος

ο πυρος: wheat

No, it can’t be a Lake of Wheat because πυρος cannot be both the nominative case and genitive case.

το πυρ: Fire 🔥 a 3rd declension noun, neuter, singular: genitive case ending ος: πυρος, του πυρος

εις: preposition used only with Accusative case
εις την λιμνην: into the lake (accusative case, feminine noun, singular, 2nd declension)

It’s a metaphorical phrase. Lakes are usually of water, but this lake is of fire. 🤯 Possibly a metaphor of the Sun. The Firmament above the land where the Moon is the Abyss and the Sun is fire, and the Sky is all water, hence the color of blue sorta sometimes.

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DavidFord

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March 11, 2025 - 9:04 pm

“The prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah were fulfilled between the time of destruction of the First Temple and construction of the Second Temple”
Including these prophecies?:

Jeremiah 31
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31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make
with the people of Israel after that time,”
declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV)
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Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign:
The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son,
and will call him Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 (NIV)
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For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 11:1 (NIV)
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A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch [n-tz-r] [5342 wə·nê·ṣer וְנֵ֖צֶר and a Branch] will bear fruit.

Isaiah 65 (NIV)
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17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

Isaiah 65:18 (Good News)
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Be glad and rejoice forever in what I create.
The new Jerusalem I make
will be full of joy,
and her people will be happy.

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Colin Milton

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March 11, 2025 - 9:09 pm

Life is good here in Iowa. My neighbors ain’t burning down the house and tryin’ to rape me. Prophecy fulfilled. 🫠

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March 12, 2025 - 8:58 am
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Colin Milton

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March 12, 2025 - 11:27 am

Matthew 6:10,

Those are not future tense verbs. Imperative mood Active voice does distinguish between present and 2nd Aorist. Past and present are the same.

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Colin Milton

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March 12, 2025 - 11:39 am

Anything as Imperative mood must be done in the future tense but they call it the present tense anyways because they won’t call it future tense. 🫤

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March 12, 2025 - 12:17 pm
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Colin Milton

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March 12, 2025 - 3:07 pm

Declaration of Independence:

“that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it,”

“that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

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Those words do not sound much like Preterism. If so, they were Preterists and they were trying to overthrow the British Kingdom of God. Matthew 5:30, Armageddon 1776.

I am the village idiot. 😑

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DavidFord

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March 14, 2025 - 10:17 am

Keith Giles, _Sola Deus: What If God Is All of Us?_ (2023), 149pp., on 99-100

My conclusion [in _Jesus Unexpected_] was that everyone would eventually come face-to-face with Christ because we would all die in a few short years, and in that way, we would all live forever in Christ’s Kingdom which was beyond space and time.
But a few friends pushed back and asked me to add an epilogue that gave us some hope for an eventual New Heaven and New Earth here on this planet.
So, I thought about it and decided that, sure, why not, I could envision a potential outcome where God’s Kingdom plan finally comes to be on this planet and, eventually, at some point in the future, physical humanity comes to embody the reality of Christ’s Kingdom here.
Yet, I still can’t understand why so many of us insist on the physical fulfillment of such things.
As if being alive in the presence of Christ is only “real” if we’re all in physical bodies of flesh and bone.
I… don’t understand that.
What is “real” is most likely so far beyond our ability to comprehend or imagine that, in comparison, this physical reality we’re in now is most likely about as “real” as a child’s crayon drawing hanging on someone’s refrigerator.

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March 14, 2025 - 1:23 pm

Revelation 20:1

καταβαινοντα

Not a intransitive verb:dative case. (τω)intransitive to-in: into

Transitive verb, participle:verbal adjective meaning because κατα must go with the accusative case and οντα is a present tense participle 3rd declension masculine singular accusative case(τα). Imperfect Aspect because it is the present tense.

This being is not literally flying, it was riding the sky and dismounting from it. The sky is a horse and the rider is the αγγελον. Rider of the sky. Flying and riding are not synonymous. 🤔 Transitive verb meaning of βαινω. ** you do not have permission to see this link **
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As Imperfect Aspect it is not completed yet. It is ongoing now in the present tense. 😬 I’ve looked up there many times and cannot see it because the being has already dismounted from the sky horse and now walks upon the earth wandering to and fro upon it.

IMPERFECT ASPECT 🙂 TRANSITIVE VERB PARTICIPLE
both present tense and imperfect tense. One word=One hour of contemplation.

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Colin Milton

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March 14, 2025 - 2:30 pm

Searching history books for major events that would’ve occurred approximately 1000 years after Revelation 20:5.

The Great Schism between the Western-Latin Church and the Eastern-Greek Church. Year 1054 AD. The Investiture Controversy.
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I don’t study Latin, and both Latin and Koine Greek are now dead languages (not having any native speakers).

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DavidFord

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March 14, 2025 - 6:10 pm

“trying to imply that Jay Rogers and Milton Terry are low-brow Christian apologists perhaps?”
No.
What if anything in Revelation do you think has yet to occur?

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DavidFord

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March 14, 2025 - 6:18 pm

“Searching history books for major events that would’ve occurred approximately 1000 years after Revelation 20:5.
The Great Schism between the Western-Latin Church and the Eastern-Greek Church. Year 1054 AD. The Investiture Controversy”

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After the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70, it was impossible to follow the Law of Moses.
Thus this event marked the end of the Old Covenant Age and the beginning of the New Covenant Age which is identified as the kingdom of God in the Gospels and the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 and 22.
The fact that the Thousand-Year Reign might have begun in A.D. 70 is also supported by the fact that the Seljuk Turks conquered the Holy Land and began to molest Christian pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem in A.D. 1071— one thousand years after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70!
Further evidence that the thousand year reign in the New Jerusalem is a literal thousand year period is suggested by the fact that the Temple system in Old Covenant Jerusalem lasted almost exactly 1000 years.

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