“there are some indications that Jesus may have thought that the Temple in Jerusalem would ultimately be destroyed”
Details on those “indications”?– what are those “indications that Jesus may have thought that the Temple in Jerusalem would ultimately be destroyed”?
Are you aware of any other “indications that Jesus may have thought that” _______ would occur?
Bertrand Russell, _Why I Am Not A Christian_
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… Historically it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about Him, so that I am not concerned with the historical question, which is a very difficult one.
I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise.
For one thing, He certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time.
There are a great many texts that prove that.
He says, for instance, “Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.”
Then He says, “There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom”;
and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living.
Rabbi David Blumofe, in
“Who is Jesus.? Dr Michael l brown vs Rabbi David Blumofe,” 25:19+
Matthew 16:28 “There will be some of those who are standing here”–
this is Jesus saying this–
“who will not taste death until they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
In other words, they will not die until they see him coming again.
But it’s been 2,000 years and he hasn’t come– I’m sure they’re dead by now.
…
“this generation shall not pass until these things be fulfilled”–
and the generation certainly passed after two thousand years.
…
“Ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven”–
yet these priests were dead for at least nineteen hundred years.
hat tip
_The End is Here_, 2.
“An less truncated, more correct quote would be: ‘… there are some indications that Jesus may have thought that the Temple in Jerusalem would ultimately be destroyed _and replaced by a Temple not made by hands, which still has not happened as of yet_ …'”
Is this an indication that Jesus might have thought that the Jerusalem Temple would get destroyed?:
Mark 13 (NIV)
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1 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him,
“Look, Teacher!
What massive stones!
What magnificent buildings!”
2 “Do you see all these great buildings?”
replied Jesus.
“Not one stone here will be left on another;
every one will be thrown down.”
“failed to reproduce my italics”
I indicated the presence of italics: note the “_”s:
“_and … yet_.”
“bolded the part above that you seem to keep missing”
I see a bolding of “be destroyed.”
I’d asked about the “destroyed”:
“what are those ‘indications that Jesus may have thought that the Temple in Jerusalem would ultimately be destroyed’?”
Jesus thought that the Jerusalem Temple would get destroyed:
Mark 13 (NIV)
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1 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him,
“Look, Teacher!
What massive stones!
What magnificent buildings!”
2 “Do you see all these great buildings?”
replied Jesus.
“Not one stone here will be left on another;
every one will be thrown down.”
Matthew liked to tout supposed fulfillments of prophecy.
Are you aware of any gospel writers touting the destruction of the Jerusalem temple as being a fulfillment of a prophecy by Jesus?
“I certainly consider his extensive and explicit predictions of his death and subsequent resurrection to be partly _ex eventu_ but I have elsewhere extensively treated the Lord’s supper as possibly so interpreted.
More generally, as I said above, it is indeed possible that a smart, perceptive, and wise person like Jesus would sometimes be able to see what was bound or likely to happen if some aspects of a current situation continued or even worsened”
Was Jesus’ resurrection ever “bound or likely to happen if some aspects of a current situation continued or even worsened”?
Mark 9:31 (HCSB)
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For He was teaching His disciples and telling them,
“The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men.
They will kill Him, and after He is killed, He will rise three days later.”
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