In my upcoming course on Finding Moses I will be discussing some of the most important features of the foundation of Judaism — in particular, the Exodus and the giving of the Jewish Law, both connected directly in the Hebrew Bible with Moses (8 lectures, given live with Q&A on Dec. 10 and 11: Finding Moses – Online Course Covering the Historicity of the Pentateuch – Bart D. Ehrman – New Testament Scholar, Speaker, and Consultant (bartehrman.com)
These are hugely important events for all of world history (without them, we wouldn’t have Judaism, Christianity, or Islam: so imagine what the world would be like otherwise!). And it is very much worth studying what we know about them, both as literary narratives of the Hebrew Bible and in relation to what actually happened historically.
I’m giving here just a taste of the sorts of things I’ll be covering in the course. One key question for historians, of course, is “what really happened”? (There are lots of other questions and issues too — we’ll be covering a lot of ground in the course)
As described in Exodus, the basic story is that the Israelites had become enslaved there, and after some 400 years God heard their prayers and sent a savior, Moses, to lead them out from their slavery in Egypt; Moses convinced the Pharaoh to release the people by bringing ten plagues against the country; the people are then told to leave; and a great miracle transpired at the parting of the Sea of Reeds (traditionally called the Red Sea), where the children of Israel were allowed to cross on dry land before the waters rushed back destroying Pharaoh’s entire army (as narrated in Exodus 14). It’s an absolutely amazing, terrific story.
But what actually happened? The event as described? Something like it, but much toned down? Nothing at all? Scholars have long debated the issues. Here is a bit of what I say about them in my book The Bible: A Historical and Literary Introduction (Oxford University Press).
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Exodus from a Historical Perspective
It has proved difficult for biblical scholars to establish when these events are to have taken place. The most common dating of the exodus event places it around 1250 BCE, for three reasons.
First, the text indicates that the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years; that would coincide roughly with the narrative of Genesis, when Joseph would have gone to Egypt at the beginning of the 17th century BCE, according to the chronology that appears to be operative there (in Genesis). But even more important is a hint provided in Exod. 1:11, that the Hebrew slaves were forced to build the cities of Pi-Ramses and Pithon; both cities actually were rebuilt or reoccupied in the mid-13th century BCE.
The third is an archaeological discovery of a stele (a stone pillar) erected at the end of the 13th century by the Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (who ruled 1213-1203 BCE). On this stele is an inscription in which the Pharaoh boasts that he has conquered various other nations, including the land of Israel: “Israel is laid waste, its seed is not.” This is the earliest reference from outside the Bible to anything having to do with Israel or the Bible itself, and so is very valuable. What it shows beyond reasonable dispute is that Israel existed, as a recognizable people, in the land, sometime in the late 13th century. If the events celebrated in the book of Exodus happened sometime soon before this, then they are probably to be dated to the mid 13th century. If that is the case, then it was Menerptah’s grandfather, Pharaoh Seti I (1294-1279) who would have first enslaved the Israelites, and his son Seti’s son, Ramses II (1279-1213) who would have been the Pharaoh at the time of the exodus.
But you may well be wondering: if according to the book of Exodus Pharaoh and his the “entire army” (see 14:6, 9, 23) were destroyed in the Sea of Reeds, how is it that Egypt was still such a major military power afterwards and that Pharaoh Merneptah could have conquered so many lands, as attested on the Merneptah stele?
That is in fact a problem with this narrative. And it is not the only one. Biblical scholars have long identified a number of difficulties that the exodus account presents––making it hard to think that everything happened as it is described in the book. As was the case with the ancestral narratives of Genesis, we may be dealing with legends, not with objective historical facts. Consider the following issues:
Implausibilities
According to Exod. 12:37, there were about 600,000 “men” among the Israelites who escaped from Egypt. Num. 1:46-47 gives a more precise count: 603,550 men who were 20 years or old and able to serve as soldiers, not counting the 23,000 Levites. But on the most basic level, how could this be? For one thing, a large army in antiquity could field 20,000 soldiers. Are we to believe that Israel had over 600,000?
Second: how do we explain this kind of population growth? If one counts all the women (surely as many as the men) and all the children (who would presumably be at least as many as the men and women combined), there must have been two and a half or three million people in Israel at this point. Now, according to Exod. 1:5 the clan of Jacob that started in Egypt consisted of 70 persons; and according to Exod. 6:16-20, Moses was in the fourth generation of the clan: his father was Amram, his grandfather was Kohath, and his great grandfather was Levi, one of the sons of Jacob. How could the great grandchildren of the twelve sons of Jacob number well over two million? In addition, even though demographic statistics for any place in antiquity are notoriously difficult to obtain, the best guesses indicate that the entire population of Egypt at the time was somewhere between two and four million people. Obviously they could not all have been Israelites who left.
Contradictions with the Known Facts of History
If two or three million slaves escaped from Egypt, and the entire Egyptian army was destroyed while in pursuit, this would obviously be a highly significant event, and we surely would find some mention of it, at least in one ancient writing or another. Possibly no Egyptian would have wanted to record the event. But some of the other nations of the region would have been ecstatic to learn that Egypt could no longer field an army; surely they would make note of it for the public record and then swoop down to the south to take over that fertile land for themselves. But we have no such record of the event and no other nation came in to take advantage of the situation. The reason is obvious. Pharaoh and his entire army were not destroyed at the Sea of Reeds.
Moreover, as it turns out, we still have the mummy of Ramses II (you can easily look it up online and see it yourself), and we know a good deal about his reign from other sources. He certainly never lost two million of his slaves and his entire army. His thirteenth son and successor, Merneptah, also had a successful reign, and, as we have seen, had a powerful army that overwhelmed other nations in the region. Egypt continued to be a dominant world force after the mid-thirteenth century BCE.
I might add that there is no archaeological evidence for anything like the exodus having occurred. Hundreds of chariots cannot be found at the bottom of any of the bodies of water that would be candidates for the Sea of Reeds; there are no Egyptian remains to indicate a massive exodus of two million or more people; and there are no archaeological traces in the wilderness area in any of the possible routes into and out of the Sinai.
As was the case with the stories of Genesis, then, here too we appear to be dealing with legend. The exodus tradition was hugely important, as it became a kind of “founding legend” for the nation of Israel. It does not appear to be actual history.
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But is there SOMETHING behind the story? Some kind of historical event(s)? It turns out that there is some evidence that the answer is yes. I’ll be dealing with that issue as well in my course.
Another problem with the story is geography combined with math:
Using google maps, it’s 450 miles from Cairo to Jerusalem on current roads – which aren’t even very direct.
450 miles is about 2,376,000 feet.
So…
If the procession consisted of two people waking side by side, and each walked 5 feet behind those in front of them, only 950,400 of them would have left Cairo before the first of them made it to Jerusalem (2,376,000 feet / 5 feet * 2 wide = 950,400). And this ignores all the stuff they’d probably have been hauling around with them, like carts full of tents, pots & pans, and food – which would make the line far longer.
Also, assuming an average 5-mile walk per day, it would take 90 days to make the journey. Not 40 years.
Yup!!
I signed up. I can’t wait! Love all your courses!!! You should make a “Skeptical” or “Atheist” Bible where you write commentary and notes showing contradictions, historical inaccuracies, anachronistic texts, and so on! Kinda like an apologetics Bible but the opposite!
That sounds like an interesting idea… I’ve been looking for a Bible that I could read that wouldn’t have the baggage of the inerrant bibles of my Christian past. Bart makes Bible Study interesting… I wish I could crack the book again… but like I said… too much baggage.
Question: What’s the reasoning behind the 20,000 figure for “a large army in antiquity”?
There are scholars of antiquity who specialize focus on military, since it was such a major issue then, and without bombs etc., the size of the army mattered a lot. This is the kind of estimate they come up with based on accounts of war in various ancient sources.
Another question. If the Israelites were enslaved for 400 years, how could Moses be the forth generation after Jacob?
Also, is the course 4 lectures on the 10th and 4 lectures on the 11th ?
1. Exactly
2. Yup.
“These are hugely important events for all of world history (without them, we wouldn’t have Judaism, Christianity, or Islam: so imagine what the world would be like otherwise!).”
Makes me hum Imagine by John Lennon!
Do you think the world would be a better place if Judaism, Christianity and Islam had simply never existed? As in, do you think religion is an impediment to humans flourishing, and therefore it is too bad that those religions ever came to pass? (I am not asking about making any religion go away now that it does exist.)
No, I don’t think so. My view is that religion is not the problem per se; the problem is people. If they didn’t use religion, they’d use something else.
Absolute slam dunk, 1,000,000% agree with you Bart.
People don’t merely use religion, they generate it– religion is a product of the human brain, so, yes, the problem is the species– “human nature”. So it makes me wonder whether all intelligent species that might appear here and there in the universe generate something analogous to “religion”. If so, maybe that explains the Fermi Paradox!
I thought long about giving a different perspective, the reason being that I didn’t know where to begin.
So here are some thoughts and notes I gathered. These will take my entire word allowance for today. Tomorrow I will add relevant articles supporting my views.
“Herodotus claims that a million Persians invaded Greece in 480 BCE. The numbers were undoubtedly exaggerated, as in most ancient records. But nobody claims the invasion of Greece never happened”
“…. were there no exodus, nearly all of Judaism’s sacred texts over the centuries would have perpetuated a great lie”. Bar-Ilan University, Joshua Berman
Since Israel and Judaism are not fraudulent and the entire creation, evolution, history, ethnicity , identity, of the People of Israel is at stake in the Exodus, it seems that neither a maximalist nor a minimalist approach is adequate or durable to get to the truth.
All but ultra orthodox Jews agree that the Exodus did not happen ” as described in the Bible”, that Moses didn’t write the Pentateuch, that the Red Sea didn’t part, that there were always plagues, that 40 years lost in Sinai is also an exaggeration, that no archaeology can be found under miles of sand.
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I don’t think Berman’s argument makes any sense. If someone today says the Exodus happened, they are not lying about it. they just don’t know. That would have been true 2000 years ago as well. I don’t think that’s a historical argument but more or an emotional appeal to the validity of a religion. You could say the same thing about all the religions that Judaism disagrees with, e.g., Xty and Islam, that their historical claims should e seen as correct because otherwise all these peole (half the human race) would otherwise be perpetuating a lie!
But that’s a far cry from claiming it never happened.There’s plenty of multi-disciplinary available evidence for many migrations of a “motley crew” of different kinds of Canaanites, over hundreds of years , with the lasting influence of the Levites.
Egypt’s culture is everywhere in the Torah. Israel was created from a ” melting pot”of migrations from Egypt and the Israel tribes already in Canaan, who worshipped one God,EL.Thus, Isra- EL (“ El is the winner/ruler/chief”).
The overwhelming trans-disciplinary evidence is found in such items and issues as:
Brooklyn Papyrus –
Berlin Pedestal-
Merneptah Stele-
Egyptian Loan words in the Torah-
Levite Egyptian names-
Linguistic major differences in the HB
Ark of the Covenant, Tabernacle Tent and Tefillin are of Egyptian provenance –
Problems with Egyptian chronology-
Hundreds of years of migrations into Canaan, from approximately 1500 to 1200 BC.
Multiple Pharaohs.The HB never names them.It’s just….. Pharaoh.
YHVH’s provenance from Edom, Seir and Midian –
YHVH and the Canaanite EL merge in “Shema” syncretism-
Moses the Egyptian-
Avaris- Hyksos- Kahun-
Ipuwer Papyrus-
Amarna Letters-
Joseph’s archaeology-
Which sea, marsh or gulf, if any, did the migrants cross?-
Evidence of slavery-
An insignificant people-
Hebrew Bible as a historic document, no less than the Gospels-
HB writers based on oral and written documentation-
Yes, it’s interesting that the book of Exodus never mentions the Pharoah’s name. Perhaps it was because there were two Pharoah’s jointly ruling. Tutmosis III ruled from (1479 – 1425) BCE and Amenhotep II ruled from (1427 – 1401) BCE and notice the overlap of two years. A good case can be made that the Exodus took place in 1426 BCE under Professor Colin Humphreys theory. It’s also interesting that Israeli prayers end with the name of the Egyptian god “Amen”. My rundown on Humphreys theory can be found at:
https://ntstudies.org/f/the-israeli-exodus-and-sinai
The problem is that there are too many other factors against it happening that early, both in the biblical text (building the city of Ramses) and the Amarna letters (which show there was no Israel in Canaan into the 14th century).
I don’t think that Humphreys is suggesting that the military campaigns in the book of Joshua all happened in the 14th century under Joshua and his immediate successors. If it is assumed that the books of Exodus, Joshua, and Numbers were composed after the Babylonian exile, using earlier and ambiguous documents plus unreliable oral traditions, then the book of Joshua may have consolidated several centuries of later Israeli military campaigns into one big campaign under Joshua (which, of course, must be non-historical). If there was an Israeli exodus in 1426 BCE and a conquest of Jericho around 1380 BCE it could still be the case that the Israeli tribes were the small fry in the region, at most a group of 20,000 hill people, that the big players didn’t pay attention to. Then when the books of Exodus and Joshua were written they used later names like “city of Ramses”, and so forth, since they were written centuries later. Of course, there is the possibility that Humphreys theory is wrong, but I think in fairness it deserves to be on the table.
Forgot to add that Humphreys theory is also compatible with a 1303 BCE exodus. Although most of my analysis in https://ntstudies.org/f/the-israeli-exodus-and-sinai assumes a 1426 BCE exodus, the analysis there notes the possibility of 1303 BCE exodus (which should be consistent with your understanding of the Amarna letters and the other factors you mention). Of course, good arguments can be made for the currently popular idea that there was no Exodus.
No one at all grounded in reality fancies that the Exodus story happened exactly as described. The real, broader question is whether there is any evidence that the Israelites, in historical fact, did sojourn in Egypt for a spell, before removing to the land of Canaan in order to (as the Bible relates) wage genocidal war upon the the inhabitants thereof and take it for themselves. The first part of this scenario might be demonstrated plausible if, for instance, the Hebrew tongue were shown to exhibit signs of some significant influence by the Egyptian language, while the second half could conceivably have some archeological support. I would be very surprised if there were not some historical seed that the legend later crystallized around, and if so, there ought to be some detectable traces.
An interesting side point on the Merenptah stele: I learned while researching it that some scholars prefer to translate “prt” as “grain” rather than “seed,” to make it clear that this is an agricultural term and not a familial one. In other words, the pharaoh was boasting that he had destroyed Israel’s agriculture, not that he had committed genocide.
I wrote an article about this subject and this is the summary:
Although I do believe in the exodus, I cannot include it in the scientific-historical-analysis as this analysis cannot accept metaphysical inputs. So, let us just extract the “viable data” from the Quran and OT that doesn’t contradict with science and normality. This can start as: the Israelite tribe were oppressed in Egypt, and managed (gradually or swiftly) to immigrate to Arabia under the leadership of Moses.
We will use here the “Atlantis Approach”: Suppose that this data is generally accurate in the Quran and OT, then when could it happen? Therefore, the analysis here can be conducted by both believers and non-believers.
Quran 26:52-59 clearly indicate that the Pharaoh of the exodus had control over Palestine and the Egyptian troops left Palestine permanently at the end of his reign.
This can only happen at the reign of RamessesVI; he was the last Egyptian ruler of Palestine, and his troops left Palestine (for unknown reasons) at the end of his reign (1136BC) or shortly afterward.
This can also be supported by OT as the Israelites never encountered the Egyptian army in Palestine; therefore, they couldn’t have entered Palestine before 1136BC.
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With this, then the Pharaoh of the oppression is RamessesIII, and we have here a logical explanation for the oppression:
RamessesIII was illegitimate ruler. To legitimize his rule, he needed to create constructions (including the expansion of the city of Rameses) that is equivalent to the constructions of RamessesII. But his treasury was almost empty due to the “Late Bronze Age catastrophe”. Probably the best solution for RamessesIII was to viciously increase the tax on the non-Egyptian people (including the Israelites). This tax would force these people into becoming “slave labors”.
So, the “viable data” can now be aligned with the historical records through the following narrative:
1# RamessesIII could have oppressed the non-Egyptian people.
2# A mysterious unknown event forced RamessesVI to call his army from Palestine, which never returned back.
3# This unknown event made sufficient chaos that allowed many of the non-Egyptian people to immigrate outside Egypt, including the Israelites.
There are still many gaps between the metaphysics and this narrative, but still, this is a very good start.
I should point here that the word “Israel” mentioned in Merneptah Stele is disputed, and many have proposed a different plausible translation for it.
The link for Article:
https://omr-mhmd.yolasite.com/resources/55-RamsesVI-10.pdf
I’m not sure what an illegitimate ruler is. When you think about it, how is *any* ruler legitimate?
RamessesII (the third Pharaoh in the 19th dynasty) died in 1213BC, and he was the greatest Pharaoh in the ancient history of Egypt, and the economy at his time was the best.
A military leader with the name Setnakhte arranged a coup against the 19th dynasty and established his own dynasty at 1189BC (24 years after the death of RamessesII). He ruled for 3 years, then he was succeeded by his son RamessesIII.
In 1198BC (39 years after the death of RamessesII), the war between the Sea People and Egypt has ended, but the trade was in halt and the land was not fertile as before, all due to the “Late Bronze Age catastrophe”.
I am assuming here that the memory of RamessesII was still fresh and he continued to be the national hero for the Egyptians. Furthermore, I won’t be surprised if the people at that time compared their life under the current dynasty (the 20th) with the life under the 19th dynasty.
So, I am assuming here that the legitimate rulers in the eyes of many Egyptians were the family of RamessesII (the 19th dynasty). This what I meant by saying that RamessesIII was illegitimate ruler.
One of the most interesting stories in Exodus is that of the tenth and final plague.
Why would an omniscient god need a mark as “ the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts” in order to “ pass over the door “ and not enter the Israelite’s houses ?
Well, not a god but an armed group with the intention to terrorize the egyptian population would certainly need such a mark to avoid killing his own people.
The fact that even “the firstborn of Pharaoh” was killed shows that the Egyptians were heavily infiltrated by the Israelites .
Moses himself was one of the Pharaoh household and the myth (borrowed from that of Sargon of Akkad) of being raised by the Pharaoh’s daughter shows that the Israelites were not so glad to be led by a member of the elite that mastered them. The stories behind Exodus 2:11-15 probably were also related to this fact.
Isn’t it also the case that for most of the late Bronze Age, during most of the plausible times that an Exodus makes sense, Egypt had hegemony over large parts of Canaan, meaning that Israel would be essentially escaping from Egypt to…Egypt (or at least a land occupied by Egypt)?
Yup, it’s a big problem. Canaan wasn’t controlled by competing nations (Canaanties, Hittites, Jebusites, whatever) but by Egypt for much of the period, with teh Hittites to the north being the other superpower of the day. That espeically causes a problem for the Joshua narrative as well.
Hi Bart, I like the minimalist view proposed by William G. Dever (2006) “Who Were the Early Israelites and Where Did They Come From?” Do you quote Dever (2006) in your work? Cheers, James
No, but I too like his approach.
Was There an Exodus?
https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/history-ideas/2015/03/was-there-an-exodus/
Kenneth A. Kitchen THE TABERNACLE
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/23624623.pdf?refreqid=fastly-default%3Aefbcb8e1fc8b94b48e881c2d7e86e0ea&ab_segments=0%2FSYC-6646_basic_search%2Fcontrol&origin=search-results
Benjamin NOONAN -Egyptian Loan Words
https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/sites/bibleinterp.arizona.edu/files/docs/Noonan.pdf
Richard Elliot Friedman
The Historical Exodus
https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-historical-exodus
https://faculty.washington.edu/snoegel/PDFs/articles/noegel-ark-2015.pdf
https://faculty.washington.edu › …PDF
The Egyptian Origin of the Ark of the Covenant – University of Washington
James Hoffmeier – Historical Exodus
https://hebraicthought.org/podcast/historical-exodus-egyptology-james-hoffmeier/
Tefillin
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/columnists/essay-tefillin-made-in-egypt
Carol Meyers- Duke University
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/meyers.html
Prof Joshua Berman -Bar-Ilan University
https://aish.com/evidence-for-the- exodus/
The Hyksos
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7965-hyksos
The Shasu of YHW
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu#Shasu_of_Yhw
BAR Exodus Evidence:An Egyptologist
Looks at Biblical History
https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/42/3/2
Cherubim- Copied from the Egyptians
https://booksnthoughts.com/the-cherubim-was-copied-from-the-egyptians/
Archaeology Review.
The Rulers of Foreign Lands
Andrew Curry
https://www.archaeology.org/issues/309-1809/features/6855-egypt-hyksos-foreign-dynasty
Museum of the Jewish People
The Egyptian Story of Moses
https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog-items/lets-hear-it-from-the-pharaohs-the-egyptian-story-of-moses/
Biblical Archaeology Daily
The Exodus, Fact or Fiction?
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/exodus/exodus-fact-or-fiction/
Haaretz- Israel News
Were Hebrews ever slaves in
Ancient Egypt?- yes
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-03-25/ty-article/were-hebrews-ever-slaves-in-ancient-egypt-yes/0000017f-f6ea-d47e-a37f-fffeebef0000
https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/article-693872
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Top Ten Discoveries Related to Moses and the Exodus
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Tefillin and the Egyptian Experience
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Orville Jenkins- Hyksos and Hebrews
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Israelites- Moses-Slavery
https://www.britannica.com/video/179508 /Israelites-Overview-Moses-slavery
Academia.edu- Donovan Courville
The Exodus Problem and its Ramifications
https://www.academia.edu/12777505/Notes_on_The_Exodus_Problem_and_Its_Ramifications_by_Donovan_Courville
JSTOR- JOURNAL ARTICLE
The So-called ‘Ăḥīṭūb-Inscription from Kahun (Egypt)
Meindert Dijkstra
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/27931384.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3A8149fb5a8a25cd8fa68e5ccc89fa19a2&ab_segments=&origin=
https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:8ef7fd74-248d-370f-85d4-4cc244ab5ec7
The Ark of the Covenant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant
As you know, there are lots of publications from the minimalist side as well, with some mighty powerful names behind them. For me it’s less about who says what than what the actual evidence is. Often when you start digging, it’s pretty thin. But there are excellent points on the positive side, though little, I’d say, to support a maximalist position. IN fact, virtually nothing. (Not sure if Hoffmeier still insists it’s all basically historical; many years ago he was still insisting that Moses wrote the Pentateuch)
I picked up just one
https://www.anumuseum.org.il/blog-items/lets-hear-it-from-the-pharaohs-the-egyptian-story-of-moses/
It started with Manetho ‘s famous account …
But if we search about him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manetho) we have:
“The problem with a close study of Manetho is that not only was Aegyptiaca not preserved as a whole, but it also became involved in a rivalry among advocates of Egyptian, Jewish, and Greek histories in the form of supporting polemics. During this period, disputes raged concerning the oldest civilizations, and so Manetho’s account was probably excerpted during this time for use in this argument with significant alterations. Material similar to Manetho’s has been found in Lysimachus of Alexandria,”
“Manetho’s history of Egypt, potentially presented as a counter-narrative to the traditional story of Exodus, portrays Jews negatively; Manetho’s depiction of Jews — or Lepers and Shepherds – exudes anti-Jewish themes”
Maybe there was an exodus. There are a lot of theories out there and I explore one of them at:
https://ntstudies.org/f/the-israeli-exodus-and-sinai
So much info, thanks! 🙂
I recently completed Richard Elliot Friedman’s, The Exodus. This well known scholar hypothesizes the exodus happened but was comprised of a much smaller population of Levites, who were a priestly class, and who ultimately joined their long lost relatives. The rest of the Exodus story is a later fabrication.
MOSES
Mose(s) -correct name,Mose,an Egyptian name -was an insignificant person in the history of the greatest empire,Egypt.
He was a nobody. Still, some researchers suggest there could have been a name attached to the generic word Mose. Even the name of a Pharaoh.
Equally insignificant were each and every group of migrants from Egypt to Canaan. As migrations from Canaan into Egypt are vastly recorded ( there were various kind of Semites,merchants,Habiru,Shasu, Hyksos, slaves, etc), Egypt was teeming with Canaanites.Migrations from Egypt into Canaan,then,where just as common.
Every group that made it thru the desert arriving at their destination would have felt their success as a miracle,and would have had tall tales to entertain the locals with.
It seems that the wrong perspectives are being applied to the study and understanding of the Exodus/Moses issue.
Unrealistic demands are made.
Only an inter- disciplinary effort can discover the reality of the migrations from Egypt by people who would never have been memorialized. I have only seen one study of the matter in a multi-disciplinary forum.
Some of the most vocal minimalist archaeologists don’t seem to be interested in source criticism or any other facts of the case.I believe that the Bibles need to be consider historical documents.
I don’t think there are that many unrealistic demands placed on the narrative. Most people are simply pointing out that there is no reference to Israel in Egypt in Egyptian sources, even though there are lots of other references (esp. in the 19th Dynasty); no archaeological record of a Semitic group of that size or anywhere near it in Egypt at that or any other time; that the Mernepteh stele is the first reference to the existence of Israel (where they are not in Egypt); that 2-3 million people escaping is not plausible for all sorts of reasons; that there are lots of internal contradictions in the accounts; etc. etc. These aren’t unreasonable points — they are simply the kinds of things a historian would consider when looking at *any* ancient source that makes claims about what happened in the past, whether in the Bible or not. (The same kinds of reasoning is applied to Manetho’s claims about the Hyksos as found in Josephus). My sense is that most scholars in teh field tend to think that some of the exodus stories are indeed rooted in ancient accounts of groups of Semites going into Egypt to escape famine (or whatever); some of them being enslaved; a small group or groups managing to get out; and so on. (Hence, e.g., the famous Egyptian names for figures in the story) But the accounts themselves that record the events in detail don’t have any extra-biblical support.
Thanks for the thoughtful answer!
The earliest reference to Israel (Canaanite Israel,there was no Egyptian ” Israel” then) is in the Berlin Pedestal, some 200 years earlier.
My take on why there is no mention even of the escaped slaves or other non-slave migrants in Egyptian records is:
1. these people were insignificant and the groups were small. The argument of the ” excessive numbers”, it appears to me, should be laid to rest, as the entire HB is full of them. This HB ” condition” should not weigh against historicity or authenticity.
2. from the migrants,those of the Hyksos who were expelled represented a terrible memory for Egypt
3.if any escaped population were considered a negative for the Egyptians, they would not be recorded
4. Other non-slaves migrants to Canaan were common, but the story of slavery in Egypt would have made sense to them, as Egypt invaded Canaan often. They did not invade, though, for the more than 100 years of Hyksos kings.
There’s plenty of information about Egyptian culture in Israel,in the HB ( 54 loan words) and in some of the greatest artefacts: the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle and Tefillin,beyond the Egyptian names.
I collected some articles above about many other factors.
Neither maximalists nor minimalists are relevant, agreed.
The Hyksos are too early by a couple of centuries; and we do have Egyptian records of escapees.
Thanks! The reason I mention the Hyksos, for the most part, is that when they were kings, for over 100 years Egypt did not invade Canaan.This would have been a possible opportunity for Levites and others to escape/migrate. In any case, the migrant group(s) would have been small and undetectable, nothing worth being pursued. Moreover, the dating of the Exodus/Pharaohs is not a done deal. Pithom and Ramesess were built on top of Avaris, recognized by Bietak as a house of slaves and a huge cemetery for infant boys. Kahun ( excavated by Petrie) was also very populated by slaves.
The way I understanding it, there ” could not” have been any reference to “Israel” in Egypt. Israel was in Canaan.Finkelstein and Dever sound amazingly a-historical when they complain about it. To me it shows the unfortunate compartmentalisation of each scholar’s discipline, knowledge and interest .
Secondly, the multi-disciplinary ( including archaeological) evidence for a huge amount of Caananites in Egypt is overwhelming. The Brooklyn Papyrus, for example, mentions a large amount of slaves with Hebrew names.
It is quite generally accepted that the quantity of the Exodus group(s) is vastly exaggerated. Unfortunately, this obvious and common biblical occurrence has been taken as a credo, used to discredit the entire history.
The first historical reference to Israel is the Berlin Pedestal, which could be dated between the 16 -13th centuries BC .
Men wrote the HB. They collected many versions, as if a theme and variations.
The HB was written by Israelites for Israelites only, unlike the Gospels’ intended universal reach.Today, the vast majority of Jews understand this. The contradictions are part of it. They don’t disprove the essence of the text.
The Exodus and Moses remain the heart of Israel’s entire history, exaggerations and tales notwithstanding. The Exodus matters!
So you don’t think the people in the exodus identified themselves as the children of Israel?
My view too is that it matters. But it also matters what happened, and that’s not at all easy to figure out — except that the biblical stories themselves did not. Then what did? And on what level does it matter? I think LOTS of things matter that aren’t tied to history, or only loosely tied to history. Think literature, art, and, well, music! 🙂
If R.E. Friedman is correct- his arguments are very persuasive-, the Exodus’ main migrant group were the Egyptian Levites,likely joined by slaves and other Canaanites.
In the Song of Miriam ( 1000BC), no Israel is mentioned. YHVH is the superhero,YHVH alone.
Which brings me to one crucial point that seems to be ignored by all those whose quest to understand Mose(s) and the Exodus begins and ends with archaeology: Israel’s God,YHVH,came from the south and from Midian, where Moses,a Levite, spent many years, adopting Jetro’s own God. Hard to think of a more important persona in this drama.He is archaeologically attested
as Yahu(h), his actual name.
He was carried by the Levites into Canaan and introduced to the Canaanite Israelites, together with the commandments. Within a couple of generations of teaching and proselytizing, the Levites convinced Israel that YHVH was their God, revealed to Mose(s), YHVH alone, and that Israel had to sustain and provide for the Levites. From then on, the Israelites were commanded to love the stranger and the alien in their midst ,and to treat slaves humanly,
because, they repeatedly said, Israel( we) were slaves and aliens in the land of Egypt.
Along with “400 years” most likely being symbolic (the denominational connection to the multi-use “40” throughout the Bible–symbolic of challenge, testing?, etc. seems obvious), the Bible itself presents both a “large Israel” (e.g. Exo 12:37 [“600,000”+!!], 38; Num 1:1-44, 11:21, etc.) and a “small Israel” at the same time! For instance: Deuteronomy has multiple references to Israel’s being “smaller” than various Canaanites (Dt 9:1–2); Canaanite realms were said to be “more numerous and mightier than Israel” (Dt 7:1). Really!? More numerous than “600,000”? It strains credulity. Surely the numbers are more sacred and/or symbolic than literal and serve particular points of the storyline as needed.
Thanks and looking forward to the series!
I’m really looking forward to the series too! I will purchase it next year.
Why would Canaanite Israel, searching for an identity,choose an Egyptian leader,Egyptian warrior priests and a past of slavery? Egypt,constantly invading, was hated.
Why would Israel memorialize being at their worst during their journey, treacherous,stiffnecked,
cantankerous,ungrateful,often hating their leader?
Why would all three Levite writers constantly promulgate commandments such as “You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you,and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt”?
The Levites were strangers in Canaan. But being dispersed throughout Canaan allowed them to indoctrinate Israel. Fundamentalists,missionary and dangerous, within just a couple of generations,I surmise,they would have achieved the Israelite tribes’ full identification with the Levites’ own past.
Now, there weren’t two million out of Egypt.But is this the first time we encounter exaggerated numbers in the Tanakh?
Or an aggrandized hero like David?
Is the finding of just another exaggeration a motive for denying Israel’s Egyptian heritage,particularly when the memories are so extensive?
The assumption that Israel would totally invent their past from whole cloth is implausible and monstruous.
In the preference for canceling Israel’s ancient history,wouldn’t the burden of proof fall on the deniers?
Fortunately, one commonly reads
“There was no Mose(s), but likely there was somebody like him”
Indeed😊
I can think of reasons for each of these! I bet you can too. 🙂
Nope. None.
Ha! Imagine you’re arguing on the other side and apply your imagination. I believe in you!
My questions were rhetorical.
As Devil’s advocate, I would have to pretend that Israelite Canaan was so impressed with the constant Egyptian invasions and slave capturing, that they adopted Egyptian culture ” everywhere”, all the way to their supreme leader, Mose(s), their Levite priests,Torah language, sacred artifacts( including cherubim), circumsicion,and so on.
So delighted were they with Egypt taking slaves, that they imagined slavery for themselves as their treasured past. Moreover, Canaanite Israel was meek and humble,so making up slavery was natural for them to do.
And out of their good nature, they developed an intense, random love for the alien.
The hair raising reports of a rebellious people’s mutiny in the dessert were an imagined neurotic identity.
Canaanite Israel also invented the name of their God, YHVH and claimed he was native to Canaan. “Shasu of Yahu” inscriptions corroborating Mose(s) encounter with Jetro’s Midian God are irrelevant.
In summary, all the evidence apart from archaeology, even as it mistakenly places ” Israel” in Egypt, is to be ignored.No need to provide proofs for those beliefs either.
Once exaggerations and contradictions are found, the entire history of Ancient Israel is to be assumed to be false and other theories are to be discarded.
I find that most Christians have no idea about information and details like this, they do not want to hear it and they think that it is wrong. How do most of your students respond to information like this when it is explained to them?
I get a wide range of reactions — but far more pronounced ones when they hear similar things about the NT.
I’ve heard a claim that the Israelites under Joshua only engaged in “kill absolutely anything living” when it involved taking out the “Giant clans.” (“Giant” being a specific term, but not necessarily meaning “large in stature” in this case.). Canaanite towns that weren’t part of a Giant clan were dealt with slightly less harshly. Any plausibility to this claim? (I’ve also heard that the demons called Legion that Christ allowed to swarm the swine were actually the disembodied spirits of these killed Giants)
No, the book of Joshua is quite clear that entire populations (men, women, children) were taken out, even in small towns.
The current scholarly consensus, coming from folks like John J Collins, Joel Baden, and Joshua Bowen, is that there is no evidence that the Exodus as portrayed in the Bible ever happened, or anything like it. There may be kernels of a story, and bits and pieces of the Bible narrative that may be historical, but the story as portrayed in the Bible is pure myth. At least that’s what the scholars say.
Joel Baden poses the question “what does it even mean to say the Exodus happened as per the Bible”, because the Hebrew Bible is made up of different sources and the different sources have different Exodus stories – one source says the Israelites were enslaved, one says they weren’t, one says they wondered around for 40 years, one says they did not etc. The actual history is like a seed, which then, through time and human nature, grows into a massive, magnificent tree.
Yup, I find their case pretty convincing. It’s a widespread view among scholars of all sorts (and those three are very different in religious background)
I stand with the “minimalist” approach to the Exodus story.
It is worth noting that the Exodus Pharaoh (like the ones in Genesis) is not named at all.
It ‘s name was lost by the time the Israelites wrote down the Exodus? Maybe.
Or maybe there was no Pharaoh involved, just a local authority , land owner or whatever.
Christianity started from a tiny cult with perhaps no more than one hundred members , so with Judaism , maybe just a group of families that abandoned Egypt where they were slaves or servants.
That’s the real “miracle” of mainstream religions , the beliefs and ideas of a group of people that left no archeological/historical record eventually became more widespread than those of powerful kings and emperors who built temples, pyramids and so on!
Enjoyed the 4 lectures yesterday. Very well put together. Your take on the “ Law” (pity it ‘s called “ law”,as Torah means “ instruction”, literally. Only some of the Pentateuch is legalese) surprised me in its originality.
It goes well with the Jewish universally accepted “ Halakha”, הלכה, which means “ the Way”, as Torah and its rabbinical hundreds of years old commentary signify a way of life. Halakha rules Orthodox Jews’ lives.
I feel that the obsession with the “2.5MM” nonsense gets in the way of true historical research.Namely,trying to understand how the smaller groups of the Exodus over time made it to Canaan and how they changed the ethos of the Israelites.
We’re talking about the founding of a nation,how their parts came together in history. In short, to know what “ did” happen( likely),not what “ did not” happen.
For example, those migrant groups could never have engaged in the conquest of Canaan.In fact, unless one dates any Exodus group’s migration to the 15-16th century,there could not have been a conquest.
Even at the very emergence of Israel in Canaan,the Israelites did “ not” displace anyone. They settled in unoccupied lands or hills. Minimalist archaeologists told us so.
Yes, I agree with most of that. Small groups; most Israelites were not among them or from them; no widespread conquering of cities though military campaigns. But to say it never happend and that there was no displacements is probably more than we can know. Certainly the battles described (Jericho!) didn’t happen.
Israelis go visit ‘Burning Bush’ in Mt. Karkom
Israel News -The Jerusalem Post
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-689424
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-689424/amp
This is intriguing:
there׳s a spot where Mose(s) might have walked from which,at a particular time,a “ burning bush” that is not consumed can be seen,curtesy of the sun illuminating that spot from a certain angle.
No wander God told Mose(s) not to come any closer.Mose(s)would have caught the trick. Thus Mose(s) was also told to take off his sandals. This way he wouldn’t go anywhere. The sand would be too hot. 😊
It reminds of the Levites’ “ Urim Ve Tumim”,the 12 oracular precious stones on the priests’ breast-plates, the “ Lux et Veritas”in Yale’s emblem.The Biblical expression is untranslatable.
The 12 stones, the “ Khoshen חושן ״ ,a very common item in jewellery,
home decoration, art, in short, a traditional artefact in Jewish tradition to this day, is related to Khash חש, a root for Khush (sensing, intuition) and Nakhash ( serpent, commonly used for divination)
It is thought that the “ oracles” were given by the sun illuminating the stone(s). Then the priests would interpret “God’s instruction”.
( I suspect that often the “divine recommendation”was to raise the Levites’ salaries 🙃 )
When I was at the Monastery of St. Catherine’s some years ago there was a fire extinguisher placed next to the “bush” (which is traditionall claimed to be “the” bush…)
Professor Ehrman, could you please comment on Richard Elliot Friedman’s theory on the history behind the Exodus story?
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I don’t find it all convincing. I agree there’s probably *something* behind the Exodus story, but his objections to critical scholarship on the matter seems odd to me at times (like we wouldn’t expect to find traces of the 2 million Israelites in a desert where sand is blowing around all the time. Uh, they spent virtually the entire time, according to the biblical account, at Kadesh-Barnea — a place that has been heavily excavated in search of *something*! *Anything*! — ot in the sands of a desert….). And the theory about the Levites is interesting. In the end I agree it is a HUGELY exaggerated story, but I’d say exaggerated beyod recognition.
Hello Bart. Hope all is well.
If we take the “blowing winds / shifting sands” idea as correct, then this means that no matter which desert you dig, anywhere in the world, you won’t find anything ? Forget the Exodus / Israelites, whether you dig in Africa, Australia, the US etc., any trace of a previous civilization will be erased. Can this be right ? In some desert somewhere, surely digs have revealed something ?
Thank you
Yup. One thinks… Egypt!
Hi Dr. Ehrman! Thank you for your logic, it helped me make my chronology!
So, Horemheb fighting Ay is likely the “God fighting the Pharaoh through his intermediary of Moses”. Moses being Thutmosis, the Overseer of Masons and Foreign Folk and *Fan-Bearer to the Right*, which is why he’s in the position to have a direct audience with Pharaoh, and not Horemheb.
His Edict of Horemheb gives the law. Horemheb and Thutmosis are both unusually scribes too. Horemheb’s the General-of-Generals, and Moses/Thutmosis are Generals, so he’s a Lord God.
*Only* Horemheb makes the Hyksos-established, Semetic Tjaru community in the desert between Egypt a place of banishment. 40 years later, the god-king is Ramses the Great which fits some of your hypotheses.
Ramses the Great has Canaan as far as Byblos, so its likely him that re-settles the Avaris population, just like the formerly rebellious Peloset.
The Tetragrammaton is in Egypt’s two-god syncretization style for the little brother to Egypt’s Two Lands, the Land of Milk and (Date) Honey:
•Yah (Hyksos pastoralist god)
and
•Ha (Desert god named King of Foreign Lands, identical to the Hyksos)
New platie post will give the citations! 🙂