My favorite professor in graduate school once told me he thought that PhDs in New Testament were over-trained for what they had to do. I had finished my degree at the time and was heading off to an on-campus interview at Notre Dame, which was looking for a faculty member who was an expert in Pauline studies. They had a number of other biblical scholars there, but wanted to fill a gap in their curriculum and wanted someone with a specialization in Paul. I didn’t consider myself a Pauline scholar in particular – at the time my research was in analyzing and classifying the Greek manuscript tradition of the New Testament, and even though I had fairly extensive training in Pauline studies, it wasn’t at all my expertise. My professor was telling me to relax: I was more than enough qualified.
Looking back, I think he had a point – not about me as a Pauline scholar (in the end they offered me the position, but I turned it down for the offer from UNC) – but about New Testament scholars in particular. It’s a *lot* of training, and probably more than the job in the end demands in some ways. But certainly not in others.
I got through my PhD program in four years (which was fast. I was in a hurry, as usual). But that was after I had done a master’s program focusing on biblical studies for three years (which itself came after five years of college, more than half of which focused on biblical studies). And my program wasn’t unusual. At UNC, most students take five or six years for their PhDs, and almost always they come in only after having done a two-year masters somewhere else, sometimes with two separate masters in two different places.
Part of the reason it takes so long is
If you’d like to read more, join the blog. You get five posts a week with archives going back ten years! Click here for membership options the languages. I have friends from high school who did PhD’s in other fields and finished two years ahead of me; but they didn’t have to learn even modern languages, let alone a few ancient ones. It takes time.
But even so, most PhDs in biblical studies spend their careers teaching undergraduates, and the very deep research skills they develop over all the years of graduate study are probably more than they need. In part that’s because the training in this field, like so many, is deep rather than broad.
I don’t think it’s *possible* to be over-trained in some fields, especially in many of the sciences. I’ve been reading popular books (that mere mortals can comprehend) about astrophysics. Oh BOY am I glad that there are some mind-blowing experts out there who can communicate with us Neanderthals. I’m right now reading Katie Mack, The End of Everything; absolutely fantastic. But when she says that to provide the actual evidence of what astrophysicists know about, say, the effect of virtual particles on the entropy of a black hole would take about two semesters of lectures just to get this single point – I take almost no convincing.
With all fields, from astrophysics to New Testament, there needs to be a balance between learning enough to do what one needs to do professionally (whether teach or research) and not being overtrained to do what one needs to do.
My view is that traditional programs in biblical studies make a very big mistake in providing training that is far too deep in one way and way too thin in another.
In terms of depth, I give one example: in the second year of my PhD program I took a semester-long PhD seminar with an extremely learned New Testament scholar whom we all adored and revered, Paul Meyer, on the Greek exegesis of 1 Peter. (“Greek exegesis” means interpretive analysis based on the Greek text.) 1 Peter is only five chapters long. You can read it in a 5-10 minutes and if you’re alert and sober will probably come away with a pretty good idea what it’s about – especially if you read it four or five times carefully. But an entire semester course on it?
Yup. And the semester was PACKED with information and work. How packed? We worked so intensely on every verse, sentence, phrase, and word that by the end of the semester, we had gotten through THREE chapters. Never got to chs. 4-5. Seriously.
Now that kind of training is not actually JUST about learning about 1 Peter. It is even more about developing research skills that can be applied across the board to all the books of the New Testament. So it was deep. But it was not broad.
As to breadth: for many traditional New Testament programs, students are pretty much left on our own if they want to acquire extensive knowledge about, say, the other important Christian writings at the time, the Apostolic Fathers, the Apocryphal writings, Gnosticism and other forms of early Christianity, the church fathers of the first four centuries, the (extensive) Jewish writings of the second temple period, Greek and Roman classics and writers at the time of early Christianity, Roman and Hellenistic philosophy, and … well, it’s a long list.
When I came to UNC, the PhD program was set up on a different model from the one I was trained in (and which continues to be the model for most programs). We do not have a New Testament program per se. Students interested in the New Testament study are in the field of Ancient Mediterranean Religions (which includes Ancient Near Eastern Studies, Hebrew Bible, Second Temple Judaism, Archaeology, and Christianity roughly up to the fourth century). When they study the NT it is in relation to other early Christian literature – not as a set of 27 books that are specially set apart from everything else.
That is, the New Testament is *some* of the early Christian literature and is studied that way. And the early Christian literature is explored as one part of the early Christian movement, which has to be studied historically, not just on the basis of its literary texts. And to study the early Christian movement means understanding it relationship to the religions, cultures, and history of its environment – not just Jewish literature and history but the literature and history of the Greeks and Romans. And these things have to be studied not as *background* to the New Testament but in their own right; only when they are understood on their own can they be put into relationship with something else (the NT).
It is, of course, IMPOSSIBLE to become expert in all this. But my view is that — especially in the Humanities — knowing a lot about a lot of things is better than knowing a CRAZY amount about far fewer things. It’s a big world out there, and none of it is in isolation from everything else. In our program, students get a lot of breadth (compared to other programs), and develop a specific area of depth (especially in their dissertation); we think this makes them better scholars and more prepared teachers.
At the end of the day, I think I’m glad I got the deep training I did. But I also regret not being trained more broadly. I do have to admit, though, that at the time, I had zero interest in being trained more broadly. I was a New Testament guy. Luckily I’ve been in a position that has allowed me to expand over the years, and like the known universe, the possibilities of expansion appear to be inexhaustible and I’m happy to go there. And I think it’s too bad none of us has another 4-5 billion years to do so (that is, before the sun wipes us all out). [/mepr-show
I found it interesting that Dr Sean Carrol indicates in his YouTube lecture given during COVID shutdown, that he hadn’t read sir Isaac Newton’s Principles of Mathematics.
Different subject than the bible and with its own special language of course.
As it has been said the way things are getting so specialized, we learn more and more about less and less that pretty soon we’ll know everything about nothing! LoL. Actually when I taught I felt that I needed to know about 10 times more about a certain subject than what the lecture was actually about. Having a greater breadth of knowledge can also allow you to make a connection to different things that might not occur to someone else. Just a for instance, if someone is an expert in the New Testament but has little knowledge of the Hebrew Bible, they would not be able to understand how the two are connected. The references in the NT would have no meaning to them. Thus I am a proponent of a broader education than vis a vis a specialized one. That’s my two cents for what it’s worth.
My sense is that no one would claim to be an expert in the NT (or make a valid claim!) if they didn’t know much about the Hebrew Bible. It’s all part of the training.
Actually FWIW the overall concept of virtual particles’ effect on black hole entropy is very easy to understand. The devil is always in the details though!
Yup, I’m gettig a handle on some of the major ideas, but beyond that, it’s like being sucked into a …. Well.
This a rare study on the life span of our own star. That has opened up another study on the hot and cold cycles of the sun. One means of establishing these cycles is to study the many ice ages this plant has experienced. Which has opened a big can of poohey because that would mean that climate change is happen with earth’s internal and external temperature changes
Another problem with the PhD setup is that it trains people to do research, not teaching – but it is a prerequisite for university-level teaching. Teaching is a skill, not an instinct. (Side note: one of my best teachers in graduate computer science didn’t even have a master’s degree. But he had been hired at a time when the field was still so new they would take anyone competent, regardless of credentials.)
When I was working on my masters in physics (1963-65), I needed 9 hours to satisfy the math requirement. So I took a 3 hour course on partial differential equations. In solving pde’s you run into special math functions (Bessel functions, Legendre functions, elliptic integrals, etc.).
In 1964 a very thick book entitled “Handbook of Mathematical Functions” by Abramowitz and Stegun was published (all 1030 pages). Just what you need to solve pde’s.
So, I bought a hardcover copy for $19.95 (a lot of $$ for a lowly grad student). You can get the hardcover version now for $104.98 on Amazon.
I spent 32 years (1965-97) in the aerospace industry on projects like Gemini, Apollo Applications, Skylab, Space Shuttle, and many more. I don’t remember ever really needing that Handbook in all that time. If I needed to solve a pde, I did it numerically with a computer program rather than analytically using pencil, paper, and that Handbook.
Thank God for computer programs!
Amen.
lol thank “who”?
I totally agree with you about the over-emphasis on depth. I would also say that there tends to be an over-emphasis in academia on innovation–pressure to discover something new. But when you are studying something that has been studied extensively by others for hundreds of years, maybe it’s ok not to come up with any completely new discovery. At some point the only new things left to discover are going to be of relatively little interest.
It’s a big problem in an area like biblical studies. To come up with something “new” often means reviving something that’s old (maybe with a new angle or new arguments) or coming up with something crazy, that people kinda like because, well, hey, it’s different.
I had the exact same course, except we read 1 Thessalonians instead of 1 Peter. Been fascinated with Paul ever since.
Bart, who was your favorite professor in graduate school? Why was he number one for you?
David Adams, recently deceased. I dedicated my NT textbook to him. Best teacher I ever had. Had this crazy knack of getting students to have deep, lively, and probing discussions about key issues and getting to the heart of them without saying much of anything himself. Never seen anything quite like it. He had an incredibly incisive mind and I wanted to emulate his analytical abilities and his uncanny way of being able to summarize an issue cogently and concisely, getting to the very heart of it.
I’m curious was to what made you decide to go with UNC’s offer and not Notre Dame’s?
I thought Chapel Hill would be a brilliant place to raise a family and was amazed at how gorgeous it was (as opposed to South Bend); and I had a pretty good sense that getting tenure in a theology department at a Roman Catholic university would be pretty tough for someone who had no RCC leanings at all….disabledupes{cc86cf845c5fdeced900da88c546a51a}disabledupes
That makes sense, especially about Norte Dame. In my former career I attended an executive development seminar for a week at the Kenan-Flagler Business School. Chapel Hill was amazingly beautiful, as was the campus. No comparison to South Bend!
What has changed in your department over the decades specifically, Bart?
The department was already well known for it’s undergraduate teaching and faculty strength. But we’ve grown significantly (from 12 faculty when I came to over 20 now); all teh faculty have a national, and a number of them international reputations as scholars. And our graduate program which was just starting out then with huge growing pains is now one of the tops in the nation.
Fascinating! 🙂 I just completed my Bachelor of Education Studies.
Dr. Ehrman: If this is the case in such extensive study, how difficult was it to be labeled a SCHOLAR, say in the time of Luther&Calvin? As you know, BOTH men were masters of language! Do you think biblical training was more laborious or not? Speaking of Calvin, Dr. Ehrman, what is your view on Predestination? Did you believe in it when you were a Christian? What is your view on this subject currently? (If you do not mind me asking, sir.)
I’m not sure “scholar” was an official designation, like “priest” or “town councillor. When you say “more laborious” — do you mean than other occupations? Or than now? It’s still pretty rigorous! But far more common, largely because of socio-economic differences with the rise of capitalism. Yes, I did believe in it as a Christian; and no, as a materialist/humanist, I don’t believe anything is predestined.