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Does Papias Say Matthew and Mark Wrote OUR Matthew and Mark?

In my previous two posts I showed why Papias is not a reliable source when it comes to the authorship of Matthew and Mark.   If you haven’t read those posts and are personally inclined to think that his testimony about Matthew and Mark are accurate, I suggest you read them (the posts) before reading this one. In this post I want to argue that what he actually says about Matthew and Mark is not true of our Matthew and Mark, and so either he is talking about *other* Gospels that he knows about (or has heard about) called Matthew and Mark, that do not correspond to our Matthew and Mark, or he simply is wrong. I’ll reverse the order in which his comments are given, and deal with Matthew first. In the quotation of the fourth century historian Eusebius, we read this:  And this is what [Papias] says about Matthew: “And so Matthew composed the sayings in the Hebrew tongue, and each one interpreted [Or: translated] them to the best of his ability.” [...]

2026-03-02T15:13:46-05:00March 7th, 2026|Public Forum|

Do the Synoptics Present an Early Character of the Jesus Movement?  –Platinum Post by Ryan Fleming

I’m pleased to publish this Platinum post, for all you Platinum members, by Ryan Fleming.  It’s a challenging argument that core elements of the Synoptic Gospels were written *before* the writings of Paul.  Feel free to respond!  What do you think? Remember, as a Platinum member you too can write a post for other Platinums to consider.  It can be on anything of relevance to the blog – and you absolutely do not need to be an expert.  If you have an idea you’d like to bounce off of others, just write it up and send it our way at [email protected]. ************************ Even though there is text in the Gospels that were certainly added after the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE, there are ten important points that suggest core text(s) existed before Paul wrote his letters, and that the Synoptics present the general character of an early Jesus movement in Judea: There are 44 important commonalities between the Synoptics and Paul’s seven authentic letters – too many to list in this post. These [...]

2026-03-04T17:14:17-05:00March 6th, 2026|Public Forum|

Is Papias Generally Trustworthy?

In my previous post I stressed that, contrary to what you sometimes may have heard or possibly will hear, Papias is not a direct witness to what the apostles of Jesus were saying.  That is an important point because Papias gives a testimony that is often taken as hard proof that the second Gospel of the NT was written by Mark, the companion of Peter, and that the first Gospel was really and truly written by Matthew, the disciple of Jesus.  If these claims were right, they would be highly significant.  Matthew would have been written by someone who was there to see these things happen; and Mark’s account would be based on arguably the most important witness to Jesus’ life.. Here is what Papias says. Remember, when he indicates what “the elder” says, he is indicating what he has learned from a person who was allegedly “companion” of the elder; the elder was someone who allegedly knew the apostles.  And this is what the elder used to say, When Mark was [...]

2026-02-24T19:48:50-05:00March 5th, 2026|Public Forum|

Does Papias Provide Us Direct Access to the Teachings of the Apostles?

In my previous post I gave a short introduction to Papias, one of the Apostolic Fathers, and the one -- oddly enough (since we don't have any of his writings, just some quotations of them) -- that has garnered the most attention among New Testament scholars over the past some decades.  Especially those interested in the question of who wrote our Gospels. More than anything, biblical scholars have latched onto Papias because it is widely thought that he provides direct evidence that the Gospel of Matthew really was written by Matthew, and the Gospel of Mark was really written by Mark. I’ll be dealing with the evidence from Papias on both matters in subsequent posts.   What is even more remarkable is that some conservative scholars have actually argued that Papias gives us evidence about Luke and John, even though in none of the surviving fragments does Papias so much as *mention* Luke and John!!   Scholars can be amazingly inventive sometimes….. Before discussing what Papias says about the two Gospel-writers that he does actually [...]

2026-02-24T19:37:31-05:00March 4th, 2026|Public Forum|

Announcing the “Sponsor a Stranger” Campaign

As many of you know, my new book, Love Thy Stranger: How the Teachings of Jesus Transformed the Moral Conscience of the West, will be published on March 24th. I have spent the last few years immersed in researching a profound shift that occurred in antiquity. In the Greco-Roman world, ethical obligations were largely confined to one's family, friends, and local community. The idea that you had a moral duty to help those in need who were not part of your family or circle of friends or potential friends, regardless of ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, or anything else, was simply not on the radar screen. That changed with the teachings of Jesus and the subsequent spread of the early Christian movement, which introduced to the world the revolutionary concept that everyone, regardless of their origin or status, is deserving of care, compassion, medical attention, and the resources to survive.. To celebrate the release of this book, I wanted to do something that takes this historical concept and puts it into immediate, tangible practice. Today, we [...]

2026-03-02T08:54:34-05:00March 2nd, 2026|Public Forum|

Free Live Debate on the Resurrection (March 2)

In case you're interested!   I am doing a live debate with Jonathan Sheffield, an Anglican Autodidact, on the resurrection of Jesus.  March 2 (tomorrow, as of this writing), 8:00 pm. Eastern Time.   You're welcome to come.  Hey, it's free!  And surely worth every penny you'll be paying for it. Feel free to comment (here on the blog) on what you see if you see any of it! Here is the brief promo add and link. Live Debate: Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? (Live Debate on FACTS Podcast, with Bart Ehrman and Jonathan Sheffield) Did Jesus rise from the dead? This debate focuses on the historical evidence surrounding the resurrection, examining early testimony, eyewitness claims, the empty tomb, and the origins of resurrection belief. Don't miss this free event! Watch the Live Debate

2026-03-02T14:51:16-05:00March 1st, 2026|Public Forum|

Who Wrote the Shepherd of Hermas, and When?

Here now is a final post on the early Christian text known as the Shepherd of Hermas, considering what we can know about who wrote it and when -- important issues since a number of church fathers early on thought it should be included in the New Testament.  (It is actually found as one of the books of the New Testament in our oldest complete copy of the NT, Codex Sinaiticus, around 375 CE) Here is what I say about such things in the Introduction to my edition of the Apostolic Fathers, Vol. 2 (Harvard University Press, 2004).   ****************************** The Shepherd of Hermas was one of the most popular books of early Christianity.  Judging from the surviving manuscript remains, it was copied and read more widely in the second and third centuries than any other non-canonical book, even more than many of the books that later came to be included in the New Testament. ... It is difficult to say much about the author’s identity apart from the autobiographical information he himself provides, assuming [...]

2026-02-15T21:51:53-05:00February 25th, 2026|Public Forum|

What’s Actually *in* the Shepherd of Hermas?

In my earlier Nutshell post on the Shepherd of Hermas, I indicated what it was and what it was about, but I didn't actually summarize what it said.  I can do that here, by excerpting part of the Introduction I give in my bi-lingual edition (i.e., the Greek on one side of the page and my English translation on the facing page) in The Apostolic Fathers, vol. 2 (Harvard University Press, 2004).   ****************************** The Shepherd recounts a series of revelations and direct angelic communications to a prophet named Hermas, a Christian from early to mid second-century Rome.  Like other ancient apocalypses, the book is ultimately concerned to reveal the divine truths that affect earthly realities, and to that extent there is some focus on the future course of human events, especially a time of tribulation that Christians will experience before the end of the age, soon to arrive.  But even more the book deals with problems of Christian existence in the here and now, especially the problems of sin and repentance, of Christians remaining faithful [...]

2026-02-18T09:58:52-05:00February 24th, 2026|Early Christian Writings (100-400 CE), Public Forum|

Blog Dinner in Charlottesville, VA on March 21. You Interested?

I'm gonna be in Charlottesville VA on Saturday March 21 to give a talk at the Virginia Festival of the Book for my then-about-to-be-released Love They Stranger.    I'd love to have a blog dinner with any blog folk who happen to be around or, well, can get around. I'll probably start around 6:30 or so for drinks with whoever is interested in quenching thirst before satisfying hunger, with dinner at 7:15 or so.  Location TBD. You interested?  I'll limit the table to 8, me and the perfect number 7.   For those who come there are no obligations other than: Being a blog member Showing up Talking Paying for whatever you ingest.  (Whatever you exgest is free.) If you're interested, do NOT reply here as a comment.  Send along an email at [email protected]. Hope some of you can come!    

2026-02-22T15:45:52-05:00February 23rd, 2026|Public Forum|

A Sign From God? Mormon Missionaries and Me

When I was a conservative evangelical teenager, I very much believed that God not only did miracles but gave us signs to show us the truth and save us from error.  The most amazing (and funniest) sign I received was in the summer of 1975, while painting my house. I was home from my second year at Moody Bible Institute and was doing odd jobs here and there to pay for school, and my parents needed the house painted.  I hate(d) painting, but I like(d) being able to earn my keep, so I went for it. To make sense of the sign, some background: one of my classes at Moody that year had been on the Christian “cults” – that is the Christian groups that evangelicals considered to be so far out there that they weren’t only non-Christian (like those Catholics and Greek Orthodox) but were dangerous to society and the well-being of the human race.  These included such nefarious apostates as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Seventh-Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, and Mormons.  We [...]

2026-02-19T19:58:23-05:00February 22nd, 2026|Public Forum|

March 2026 Gold Q&A Announcement

Gold & Platinum Members, Your next opportunity to hear Bart tackle your questions is coming up! Our March Gold Q&A will take place on Monday April 6th, 2026 at 7pm EST. (Note: This Q&A was originally scheduled for March 29th, but has been rescheduled due to early April. We will have two Gold Q&As in April to make up for missing the March Q&A. The second April Q&A will take place on Sunday April 26th at 3pm EST. Every time we do one of these, I’m convinced Bart has heard every possible question… and then someone proves me wrong! So if you’ve been sitting on something you’ve always wondered (a deep historical puzzle? a strange detail that doesn’t quite add up? or maybe the one question you suspect might actually stump him?), now’s your moment! Who knows? Maybe you will be the next one to do it. (No pressure.) Send your questions over to me at [email protected]. Bart always receives far more questions than he can answer in the hour, so please keep your submission [...]

2026-03-25T09:27:45-04:00February 20th, 2026|Public Forum|

A Great Story of a Deceived Deceiver

I sometimes look back on books I've written just to see what I still think of them.  My scholarly books usually don't have a ton of humor in them (OK, some; at times I just can't resist); but I start my academic study of forgery (Forgery and Counterforgery: The Use of Literary Deceit in Early Christian Polemics) with an amusing anecdote from the annals of ancient forgery, a case where a forger was intentionally deceived by someone else’s forgery, to his deep chagrin. Here's the excerpt from the book. ****************************** Heraclides Ponticus was one of the great literati of the classical age.  As a young man from aristocratic roots he left his native Pontus to study philosophy in Athens under Plato, Speusippus, and eventually, while he was still in the Academy, Aristotle.  During one of Plato’s absences, Heraclides was temporarily put in charge of the school; after the death of Speucippus he was nearly appointed permanent head.  His writings spanned a remarkable range, from ethics to dialectics to geometry to physics to astronomy to music [...]

2026-02-09T10:20:59-05:00February 10th, 2026|Public Forum|

The Second Coming (Yeats)

It is impossible to understand, let alone appreciate, many aspects of modern culture ("high" culture -- art, music, poetry, fiction, etc.) without a relatively deep knowledge of the Christian tradition going back to the New Testament itself.  I repeatedly tell my students this -- becoming religiously literate in the western tradition is not simply for those who are religious, or are committed the Christian faith in particular, or are even just curious about ancient religion.  It is important for making sense of  many of the cultural glories of the modern world. As a New Years Resolution this year my wife Sarah decided to memorize a poem every week.  She's an English professor who has no trouble knowing the best of the best.  Her first week it was W. B. Yeats, "The Second Coming," a familiar poem to literary buffs but not universally, and one with deep resonances that take a lot of pondering, even if one knows some of the key phrases ("the centre cannot hold," "anarchy is loosed on the world," etc.). [...]

2026-02-02T11:24:08-05:00February 8th, 2026|Public Forum|

About Work Habits and Productivity…

Now that I have retired from UNC (but not from anything else!) I've had several people ask me about my personal work habits.   In reply to the most recent query from a blog member,  I remembered I wrote a post about them some years ago.  Looking back (and looking now), I don't necessarily recommend my approach.  More than a bit excessive, and I've eased up a good deal!  But, if you like getting a lot done.... Here's what I said then, in the first year of Covid.... ****************************** Blog members sometimes ask me about my work habits:  I seem to get a lot of writing done in addition to the day job as a university professor and doing the blog and what not.  How’s that happen exactly?  I should say that it’s not happenin’ too well right now: start of classes – teaching 240 students remotely! – and lots of other things--I ain’t getting twit done on my research…. But normally I do try to pack it in.  And how?  My usual answer [...]

2026-02-01T10:37:28-05:00February 7th, 2026|Public Forum|

Why I Wrote Love Thy Stranger and Significant Benefits that Can Come Your Way

As many of you know, my book Love Thy Stranger: How the Teachings of Jesus Transformed the Moral Conscience of the West (Simon & Schuster) is coming out next month: March 24.  The issues I address in the book are obviously central to what we do here on the blog, and I'm unusually excited about this one.  It is now available for pre-order, and later in the post I'll explain why it might be worth ordering-pre. But first I'd like to say something in general about it. The only reason an author writes a book of non-fiction (OK, or SHOULD write a book!) is because it deals with something that is both significant and of interest to readers.  I've tried to write books for a general audience that cover issues important  and even intriguing to people interested in the Bible, the historical Jesus, the history of early Christianity, and the Christian religion in general.  This book is a different because I think it is IMPORTANT.  To lots of things.  To be sure, for anyone who [...]

2026-02-06T12:51:42-05:00February 6th, 2026|Public Forum|

Greek Island Trip: Cancellation

On January 26 I announced on the blog a lecture cruise I was planning to take to the Greek Islands.  I have decided I will not be doing this trip. Many apologies to any of you who expressed interest in coming.

2026-02-05T12:39:41-05:00February 5th, 2026|Public Forum|

The Most Egregious Copying Mistake by a New Testament Scribe

Did scribes of the New Testament ever make astoundingly bad errors when making a copy? Yesterday I mentioned a rather amazingly bad copy of a Christian text (connected with the Muratorian Fragment).  Anything like that for any of the books of the New Testament, inattention taken to a rather incredible length? The reality is that most copyists of the books of the New Testament even in the early years/decades/centuries were doing their best mostly to reproduce the text they were copying.  They did make mistakes (more in the early centuries than later) and intentionally changed the text in places (probably, we might assume with good intentions), but copying is by its very nature a "conservative" practice: a scribe is trying to reproduce a text as he has inherited it. There are some truly major changes in the NT manuscripts, but very few of them are of the rather outrageous sort.  The most egregious one I know of was certainly (surely!) made by accident, and it is rather humorous.  It involves a copy of the genealogy [...]

2026-01-27T16:23:03-05:00February 4th, 2026|Public Forum|

Just How Careless Could an Ancient Christian Scribe Be?

I have often talked about scribes of the New Testament sometimes being careless, occasionally making rather amazing mistakes.  Most of the time, of course, scribes were careful and accurate, but every now and then they would make a mess up by, say, leaving out a word or three, or an entire line, or copying the same word twice, etc.  And sometimes they added things they thought ought to be in the text but were not. Only in a few places does that involve MAJOR additions, the two largest and most significant by far are the last twelve verses of Mark (16:9-20, where Jesus appears to his disciples after the resurrection) and the story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:11). Most of the changes scribes made were accidental (slips), others were almost certainly intentional (whoever added the long ending of Mark didn’t do so by a slip of the pen).  In making mistakes, these early Christian scribes were almost certainly never ill-intentioned:  they were human and made mistakes (accidental changes) [...]

2026-02-01T10:29:43-05:00February 3rd, 2026|Public Forum|

Interested in Q? Did It Exist?

One of the most frequent questions I get asked about (who woulda thought?) is  whether the source called "Q" really existed and why I think so. I'll explain what that means in a second, but first: if you are interested in hearing two of the world's experts talk about it (taking opposite sides!), do we ever have an event for you!  It is not connected with the blog, but it would be a shame not to let blog members know about it in case they (you!) want to attend.  Here's a link for more information and registration: Did Q Exist? So, for those who don't know, "Q" is the hypothetical document allegedly used independently by both Matthew and Luke for a good many passages in their Gospels, mainly sayings of Jesus (the Lord's Prayer, the Beatitudes, a number of parables, one-liners, etc.). The deal is this:  it is almost universally agreed that both Matthew and Luke used Mark for many of their narratives (they have verbatim agreements all over the place, and there [...]

2026-02-01T10:26:51-05:00February 1st, 2026|Public Forum|

The Muratorian Canon (The first “list” of Christian canonical books)

One of the best ways to follow the proto-orthodox line of reasoning for what to include in the canon of the new testament is to consider the earliest surviving canonical list, a fragmentary text, subject to considerable debate in recent years, that is commonly known as the Muratorian Canon. Here is what I say about it in my book Lost Christianities (Oxford University Press) ****************************** This “canon” is a list of books that its anonymous author considered to be part of the New Testament Scriptures.  It is named for the eighteenth-century scholar, L. A. Muratori,. who discovered the manuscript that contains it in a library in Milan.  Muratori published the manuscript in 1740, not so much to provide the world access to the documents it contained -- principally treatises of several fourth- and fifth-century church fathers -- but in order to show how sloppy copyists could be in the Middle Ages.  In a treatise of Ambrose, for example, the scribe inadvertently copied the (same) thirty lines twice!  What’s worse, the second copy of these [...]

2026-01-23T12:54:57-05:00January 31st, 2026|Public Forum|
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