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When we discuss the topic of UFOs and religion the subject of actual UFO religions always comes up. Unfortunately the disturbing demise of the Heaven’s Gate cult has branded this topic and made it rather radioactive. But there are more benign actors at large.
This to say I just received my latest postcard from the ** you do not have permission to see this link **, scheduled for October 11-12th. This year’s theme – THE SPACE BROTHERS: We come in Peace!
The group was founded by Ernest & Ruth Norman in 1954(!) as a platform to explain & promote Ernest’s views of an “inter-dimensional” science of life in books channeled via his psychic connection with the Space Brothers. (In pictures they look just like anybody’s grandparents who have a psychic link with aliens.) After Ernest “transitioned ” to a Higher Plane in 1971 the group had its greatest success under Ruth, a.k.a. Uriel, who was much more flamboyant and media savvy. Her numerous TV appearances and her non-ironic, smirk-free, mockery-immune, guileless style made her quite a New Age celebrity. ** you do not have permission to see this link ** are pictures of Uriel in full regalia.
After Ruth’s own transition in 1993 the group has been guided by various disciples to varying degrees of success. Their first real misstep was the prediction of the landing of a space fleet to celebrate the new millennium in 2001. They claim to have 500,000 folks on their mailing list, including of course your humble correspondent.
I was first acquainted with the group because of their media output. They make some super groovy videos. Think Flash Gordon meets the Hippies in Las Vegas. For the flavor here’s a clip from ** you do not have permission to see this link **! (All for sale along with mugs and posters and t-shirts! What’s more quintessentially American than this?)
These days Unarius is still channeling hopeful messages from the Space Brothers but there is a sense of looking back on past glories. I understand there has been a bit of a rift in the organization between those, less comfortable with Uriel’s theater, who want to go back to Ernest’s original vision of an alternative science, and the current leadership who are satisfied to keep on keeping on.
At any rate there is nothing here of the twisted psycho-sexuality and fascism present in Scientology or any of the real hardcore cults. And this stuff is infinitely preferable to the humorless online conspiracy groups. I wear my gold-plated starship pin with pride.
ps: Ya know folks, it’s easy to chuckle but it occurred to me…take a papal conclave with all the magisterium in fine to-do and compare it to this and then explain the difference to a Martian. And remember the Roman attitude two thousand years ago to those first Christian goofballs…weeell we know what happened there.
Steefen said
1jdefrancisco (formerly Stephen)
[Thinks humans are alone in the Milky Way Galaxy.]
Steefen
3I ATLAS is here PROVING we are not alone in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Proving we are not alone in our own Solar System because it came from outside our Solar System.
I’m still Stephen. I assume 1jdefrancisco had or has an account that absorbed my prior posts. My current posts are appearing under the member name ‘SJB’ which was my original MN until I had it changed to ‘Stephen’.
I have never argued that we are “alone in the Milky Way Galaxy”. I have cast suspicion on the claim that we have been visited by an alien civilization and on the various conspiracy theories associated with such a claim.
31 ATLAS is an interstellar comet. At its closest approach to Earth it will be 170 million miles away and invisible without powerful optical instruments. How does it prove we are not alone in the Galaxy?
SJB:
I assume 1jdefrancisco had or has an account that absorbed my prior posts. My current posts are appearing under the member name ‘SJB’ which was my original MN until I had it changed to ‘Stephen’.
Steefen:
SJB to Stephen to 1jdefrancisco to SJB.
SJB:
I have never argued that we are “alone in the Milky Way Galaxy”.
Steefen:
The skeptic (you) never argued for the possibility we are alone in the Milky Way Galaxy–so you say now. Is that your final answer?
SJB:
I have cast suspicion on the claim that we have been visited by an alien civilization.
Steefen:
Do you consider 3I Atlas coming into our solar system a visit?
SJB:
31 ATLAS is an interstellar comet. How does it prove we are not alone in the Galaxy?
Steefen:
I agree: it is interstellar. We are on the same page. Nice.
It is interstellar into our inner Solar System.
It is not just one of the 10,000 interstellar comets that have traveled into our outer Solar System in the vicinity of Neptune.
The Kuiper Belt is a relatively nearby, flat ring of icy worlds beyond Neptune, while the Oort Cloud is an extremely distant, spherical reservoir of comets surrounding the solar system in all directions.interstellar: occurring or situated between stars.
Short-period comets come from the Kuiper Belt.
Long-period comets come from the Oort Cloud.
Interstellar comets come from beyond the Oort Cloud.
Interstellar space is beyond the Oort cloud.
Oumuamua, Borisov, and 3I ATLAS did not come from the Oort Cloud, they were interstellar comets and their parent stars are unknown.
The nearest star is Proxima Centauri, 4.24 light years away.
Approximately 70,000 years ago, Scholz’s Star was 0.8 light years away (passing through the outer Oort Cloud).
Approximately 1.3 million years from now, the star Gliese 710 will be 0.2 light years away from the Sun.
The 10,000 comets that have been observed traveling our outer Solar System near Neptune were NOT interstellar comets.
How are short-period and long-period comets formed?
Answer:
Comets formed billions of years ago from the dust and gas that clumped together in the cold, outer regions of the early solar system. These icy bodies, often called “dirty snowballs,” were created as fine dust grains coated with frozen gases and water ice stuck together, eventually forming larger, rock-like bodies called cometesimals through a process called accretion. These comets have remained largely unchanged, preserving a record of the solar system’s formation in the distant Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt.
. However, it does not contain new or unknown periodic chart elements. The unusual composition is generating scientific debate about the comet’s origins.
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), a volatile compound never before naturally observed in space. This compound is known to be used in human industrial processes for refining nickel.
Avi Loeb et al said
“We strongly emphasize that this paper is largely a pedagogical exercise, with interesting discoveries and strange serendipities, worthy of a record in the scientific literature. By far the most likely outcome will be that 3I/ATLAS is a completely natural interstellar object, probably a comet, and the authors await the astronomical data to support this likely origin.”
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Thanks Robert. Hopefully this link will work too.
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Steefen I was going to reply to your last post but this guy pretty much says it all. The only thing I can reasonably ask of you is that you listen to what he has to say.
ps I ordered the shirt.
SJB:
This guys pretty much says it all.
Steefen:
That guy pretty much says all you want to say.
I was listening to a physicist. He was using reasoning that reminded me of Robert Edward Grant and ChatGPT-The Architect and the topic of the Mandela Effect–things do not have materialistic causes. What’s different is that the physicist implied a system of consciousness is the cause because it wants the collective consciousness of humanity to open its mind. Do not get trapped in objective reality that way. If human capability cannot be the cause, do not think there is another objective cause.
Invent and apply a theology rule like: Wherever God exists there exists life.
Life has not been discovered outside of the terrestrial Earth. God only exists here on the terrestrial Earth. Life cannot exist in the extraterrestrial which is evident by life not being discovered outside of the terrestrial because God only exists here in the terrestrial because wherever God exists there exists life.
Steefen:
Did 3I/ATLAS come not only from beyond the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud but beyond the boundaries of the Milky Way?
Google answered: No, the interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS did not come from outside the Milky Way galaxy. Its trajectory and speed confirm that it originated from another star system within our own galaxy before passing through our solar system.
It’s important that I registered a correction of a YouTube video:
YouTube Channel: Beyond the Stars
Video: 3I/ATLAS Breaking News: Just Showed the Most Serious Anomaly to Date
posted an hour ago
Now, that channel may remove my correction but the correction was posted.
You can watch the video and see if you can find other statements in need of correction and post it–letting us know.
Comment 130, October 21, 2025
Steefen:
The content of that comment is from July 27, 2025.
How much more is known about 3I/ATLAS since then?
To make matters worse:
Lintott is the editor of the scientific journal Research Notes of the American Astronomical Society, and in that capacity — he asked me to remove any reference to the possibility that 3I/ATLAS might be artificial before accepting my paper for publication
Comment from the source of that content from Ben Emlyn-Jones:
“He asked me to remove any reference to the possibility that 3I/ATLAS might be artificial…” How can we trust scientists to discover the truth when they take that attitude? Rejecting a hypothesis before we even know if it is real or not. It is indeed an insult. I trust carpenters and mechanics more.
YouTube Channel: Alien Atlas
Video: NASA is about to reveal 3I/ATLAS. Avi Loeb Was Right. | Michio Kaku
Steefen:
Avi Loeb was right?
I’ll have to watch this video’s argument.
Steve Campbell, Argumentation Specialist
What am I reviewing before this?
I have to check arguments in the video: Full Josh Hammer vs Dave Smith Debate on Israel
Whoever won that debate communicated truth better than the opponent and that person’s arguments bring us closer to Jesus and Jesus’s position on blessing the politics of Israel and Jesus’s position on the killing of Charlie Kirk.
What was Jesus’ position on blessing the politics of Israel during the Jewish Revolt, AD70 and how all of that ended in AD73 in the first century of Early Christianity?
Answer: Jesus’ position crumbled. So, the relevance of Jesus’ position shouldn’t be an issue, but we keep Jesus alive through Christianity. Charlie Kirk was a Christian.
Watching a few of these 3I/Atlas videos on Ytube, some with millions (yikes!) of subscribers, makes me despair of the human race. Will any of them admit they were wrong when 3I/Atlas blows through our solar system unaware and uncaring of our hopes and fears?
I trust carpenters and mechanics more.
Steefen that explains quite a bit. But science is not based on trust but on e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e. There is none for the spaceship notion. Once again we project our needs and desires upon an indifferent universe. Maturity and wisdom will begin for the human race as it does for individuals, when we abandon these childish expectations and learn humility.
Note: The speed of 3I/Atlas increased as it entered the gravity well caused by the mass of our sun, as you would expect from an interstellar object entering our solar system. If it was actually a spaceship traveling at the speed it was when it entered the sun’s influence and was headed for earth it would have had to have begun breaking maneuvers long ago. If 3I/Atlas’ speed had been decreasing when it entered out solar system then we might have cause to ponder.
I mean, Jesus! Isn’t the flyby of an interstellar comet, a remnant of creation, traveling for billions of years, enough? Why bury the wonder of it under all this X-Files bullsh*t?
Short-period comets are strongly bound to the Sun.
Long-period comets are weakly bound to the Sun.
They can get perturbed during a planetary encounter (Jupiter or Saturn would be examples) and become unbound, turning them into interstellar escapees.
Interstellar comets are unbound to the Sun.
Human-made Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are now gravitationally unbound from the Sun.
They have become interstellar objects, not interstellar comets.
The anomalies of 3I/ATLAS calls us to make the distinction between a comet and an object.
A short-period comet has an orbital period of less than 200 years. Often they are 5 to 75 years.
A long-period comet has an orbital period of 200 years to millions of years.
An interstellar comet does not have an orbital period. The three interstellar objects remained unbound to our Sun.
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