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The Eyes of God and Man: Hubble vs. James Webb Telescope and The 2024 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate (This Proves God!)
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Chess Jurist

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August 16, 2024 - 10:58 am

Thanks, Steefen. I’ll look them up.

BTW, I don’t see the links in Edge eithen.

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Steefen
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August 16, 2024 - 11:02 am

I will say this:

AI generated narratives and AI voice-overs are not good enough for me.

Finished watching the Penrose video.

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Steefen
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August 16, 2024 - 11:28 am

YouTube Channel: BRIGHT SIDE Universe
Title: “8 Chilling James Webb Space Telescope discoveries That Will Haunt You in 2023”

Pick up at 10:00

Well God gets to be Creator of planets many times and has many times to create Eden.

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Robert
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August 16, 2024 - 12:44 pm
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Chess Jurist

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August 16, 2024 - 1:17 pm

Thanks, Robert

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Steefen
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August 16, 2024 - 5:22 pm

8 Chilling JWST Discoveries is a video that is pro-Big Bang without the reservations other sources of info are taking.

Only 1 video before the Isaac Asimov video.

James Webb Telescope vs Hubble Telescope Images Comparison (YouTube Channel: Neo Universe)

Yes the JWST with infrared light capability is better than the Hubble telescope.

End of Video: Now I should be prepared for the Isaac Asimov debate, or somewhat prepared.

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August 16, 2024 - 5:49 pm

“see no links in your two posts”
If the youtube link is cut (as below), then the YouTube graphic won’t automatically load in this forum.

Kaku
youtu .be/7K7J_jPpGFM

Penrose
youtu .be/l1BQLl59M-w

Hubble mirror
youtu .be/SQvp5_XlzRI

Webb vs. Hubble
youtu .be/97E4kcbNV8g

Webb change astrophysics?
youtu .be/lK4EZiIpC14

8 Chilling James Webb Space Telescope discoveries That Will Haunt You in 2023
youtu .be/8O6c4vS7GUs

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August 17, 2024 - 2:12 am

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August 17, 2024 - 2:13 am

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August 17, 2024 - 2:20 am

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 2:24 am

So I do not think the Book of Job gives the creator of the universe justice.

I also do not think if the universe required an Intelligent God, that God would have behaved as it did in the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, and even Eridu Genesis.

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 2:25 am

What does a God need to do now in the Universe?

Keep earth from setting off nuclear bombs? Probably not.

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 2:26 am

No further delay, let’s get into the Asimov video.

after I go to sleep and do some studying in the field of financial securities, specifically investment advisers–and go to the health club.

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 11:48 am

We didn’t know if the universe was 10 billion year old or 20 billion years old [if there was a beginning].
13.7 billion years ago is an age.
Another scientist says 13.8 billion years ago.

And with God doing the work of creation, it makes a difference if its 13.7 or 13.8 billion years.

Let there be light (after the dark age of the universe)
and 100 to 200 million years, there was the first star.

Pick up at 26:56

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 12:07 pm

B R E A K I N G N E W S (3 months ago)

YouTube Channel: Territory
Video: There’s No Going Back from This James Webb Telescope Uncovers One of the Oldest Galaxies Ever Seen

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 4:56 pm

God the Creator is separate from gods over Earth.

God the Creator is busy working at the Eagle Nebula in the Sagittarius Arm of the Milky Way, perhaps at the Pillars of Creation.
See the famous picture “Pillars of Creation.”

The Eagle Nebula is 5.504 million years of age.
God and Jesus is 5.504 million years old?
The Sun is 4.6 billion years old.
God and Jesus is 4.6 billion years old?
The universe is 13.7-13.8 billion years of age.
God and Jesus is 13.7-18.8 billion years of age?

Human being have absolutely nothing to do with the Pillars of Creation at the Eagle Nebula.
The Eagle Nebula is 6500 light-years away from earth in the constellation of Serpens.

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August 17, 2024 - 5:06 pm

We have Creation of planets with water and atmospheres for plant and animal life.
We have Creation of Stars.
So we have Creation of Solar Systems.
We have Creation of galaxies.

We might have Creation of the universe, if the Universe had a beginning.

So, the concept of God hinges on whether or not Creation requires a Creator.

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 5:24 pm

So why isn’t Death and Hell Black Holes?

= = = =

There is too much brightness to stars pre-JWST assumptions.

You get better data if you see a black hole with a) the JWST and b) the Chandra X-ray Observatory.

pick up at 35:42 / 1:27::02

In Summation

If the Creation of the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, plants and animals required a Creator (it did not), then you can have creation myths with Creator-Gods rather than non-intelligent Creation Phenomena.

Is it untrue that Jesus is one with God the Creator?
We can talk back to the author of Job and say, the creation of stars in nebulae is not handled by Creator-God but by Creator-Phenomena that does not require designing intelligence.

Are the Pillars of Creation, is the Eagle Nebula a simulation? ? ? ?
I say, no.

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Steefen
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August 17, 2024 - 5:28 pm

Judith,

Are you still able to follow the JWST videos and the Asimov discussion?

I would think, you would be like any other adult who bought tickets to the panel discussion and it makes sense.

What are some of things on your mind about this?

Oh, you may know this but in case you do not. Stars are formed in a nebula (plural: nebulae).

Kindly,
Steefen

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DavidFord

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August 17, 2024 - 6:54 pm

“We might have Creation of the universe, if the Universe had a beginning”
The universe is expanding.
Going back in time, the universe gets smaller and smaller until its surface area and volume goes to 0.
Hence, the universe began to exist.

Also, the universe is running down– the 2nd law of thermodynamics is at work.
Unless God intervenes, eventually all the stars will burn out, and eventually the universe will everywhere be the same very very cold temperature, a fraction of a degree above absolute 0.
The universe couldn’t have been running down for an infinite length of time, because if it was, it’d have suffered ‘heat death’ by now.
Hence, the universe began to exist.

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