Steefen, I appreciate your asking. It’s all too much for me. If what you want to say could be summarized in a few sentences with a link to further information for those interested, that would work better for me and cut down on concerns for Robert who has a real task keeping The Forum good.
With several hundred million dollars, Stephen, se will have an even better artificial eye, the super Magellan telescope but a panelist said we will lose our X-Ray observatory, Chandra.
Upon completion, the Giant Magellan Telescope (GMT) will be the largest optical telescope in the world, producing images of the universe with 10 times the clarity of the Hubble Space Telescope. Slated to become operational by 2029, the GMT will explore the distant universe and look for signs of life outside our planet.
Completed watching,
The Asimov Memorial Debate was March 19, 2024.
Well, this certainly throws down the gauntlet to Flat-Earthers: Where is their Hubble and JWST?
We have Creation of planets with water and atmospheres for plant and animal life.
We have Creation of Stars and nebulae.
We have Creation of Solar Systems.
We have Creation of galaxies.
So, the concept of God hinges on whether or not these Creation requires a Creator or Creator is only needed for planets with water and atmosphere for plant and animals life.
Just because there is a Creator acting on planets where there are plants and animals does not mean that Creator acted on planets where there are not plants and animals.
So now, I am back to polytheism: 1) Creator-Phenomena (stars are created by nebulae) and 2) Creator-God (planets that support life of plants and animals come from a Creator-God.
I do not hold to the notion that God needed to kill his son to atone for sin while sin is institutionalized (in more than one way).
…but fall short of cleaning up the Seine for the Olympics!
Judith in the 1960s the Potomac was so polluted that there were regularly fires burning on its surface! Eventually the Powers That Be got so emabarrassed that an effort was made to clean it up. After all these years it is now possible to fish out of it again. One of the fortunate benefits was the bald eagles returned! The Potomac basin had traditionally supported a large population lost to the pollution. One of the subway lines to the airport station runs over the river alongside the trellis of an old abandoned bridge. It’s wonderful to see dozens of bald eagles nesting in the supports of the bridge.
France! Au travail sur la Seine!
This sermon brings up
The anthropic principle, also known as the observation selection effect, is the hypothesis that the range of possible observations that could be made about the universe is limited by the fact that observations are only possible in the type of universe that is capable of developing intelligent life
the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained by the necessity to allow human existence.
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The Universe shows orderly development.
(I wonder if that means the requisite for an orderly developer.)
The order of progression is: The Big Bang, Initial inflation with superheated fundamental particles
As the cooling happens, the building blocks of matter start to form: electrons, neutrons, protons, and photons with light.
Then comes: Hydrogen, Helium, and Lithium.
Steefen:
This needs a little explanation.
The first elements — hydrogen and helium — couldn’t form until the universe had cooled enough to allow their nuclei to capture electrons (right), about 380,000 years after the Big Bang.
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Back in the earliest stages of the hot Big Bang, there were no elements at all: just a “soup” of free quarks and gluons and first, and then free protons and neutrons a little bit later. Yet, by the time the first stars formed, the Universe was made of ~75% hydrogen, ~25% helium, and a tiny, tiny amount of lithium: elements that weren’t present at the very beginning. Although the seeds were in place to form elements just seconds after the Big Bang, creating those elements is a process that takes minutes to begin, but decades to complete.
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Thank you Steefen. Continuing …
We have the first generation of stars.
Then the heavy elements.
(Cool images in the sermon)
Second generation stars get planets.
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The Murchison Meteorite–which is older than our Sun. (residue of a dying star)
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And then from the building blocks of life, we get life, and from life consciousness is attached.
Pick up at 8:18
“I do not hold to the notion that God needed to kill his son to atone for sin while sin is institutionalized (in more than one way)”
What’s the basis/grounds for the allegation that “God needed to kill his son to atone for sin”?
Who believes that “sin is institutionalized”?
“(in more than one way)”
What are 2 of those ways?
The Eagle Nebula is 5.504 million years of age.
God and Jesus is 5.504 million years old?
The Sun is 4.6 billion years old.
God and Jesus is 4.6 billion years old?
The universe is 13.7-13.8 billion years of age.
God and Jesus is 13.7-18.8 billion years of age?
God and Jesus have infrared vision.
?We cannot say that the objects in the universe that can only be seen through X-Ray telescopes cannot be seen by God and Jesus who was with God.
I started with the sermon of April 14, 2024 (Anthropic Principle) not the sermon of May 5, 2024 (Big Bang)
picking up at 8:18
OK, here is where God comes in:
Stephen Hawking said,
The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life.
– A Brief History of Time, p. 126
It appears that the Universe has been fine-tuned in order for life to exist.
The universe was designed such that we could be here.
pick up at 18:14
“Common knowledge is not up for debate or countering with posting books and AI”
“Common knowledge” has frequently been wrong.
“What’s the basis/grounds for the allegation that ‘God needed to kill his son to atone for sin’?”
“read the New Testament”
Which verses are you looking at?
“can find two sins institutionalized in Martin Luther’s 95 theses”
What 2 sins are referred to?
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