“the Bible does NOT account for all advanced human civilizations”
The Bible doesn’t discuss a lot of things.
What happened to the ancient “advanced human civilizations”?
“Modern human beings are only about 160,000 years old.
God was entertained by life on earth for at least 100 million years without modern human beings in less than 1 million years, he tried to drown us all”
Including Noah and his wife, and his sons and his son’s wives?
“I bet Jesus was bored out of his mind for millions of years of dinosaurs”
Being a trinity, God doesn’t need to make creations for entertainment.
“Does Russia have a flood myth? …
Did God try to destroy the geography of Russia in ancient times? …
Who was our Noah?”
I have no idea.
“God tried to destroy Mesopotamia by flood.
Was all of the geography of the Western United States flooded, too?”
I dunno.
I vaguely recall that there was a recent mass extinction of very large animals in North America.
“Did God try to destroy Egypt by flood? No.”
Maybe not, but Egypt _was_ under water for a long time.
contention that the differential erosion patterns on Khafre were caused by an ancient ocean flood
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The flood marks on the Khafre Pyramid however, indicate a fairly (compared to a cosmic impactor) stable rise and fall in the ocean levels over a sustained period of time (years).
The sea sat at this high level for years and then worked its way back to its historical settling.
I do not like this inference particularly, and would instinctively favor an impactor, but it is the only alternative I am left with upon examining the Khafre pyramid.
“We live in a zoologically impoverished world, from which all the hugest, and fiercest, and strangest forms have recently disappeared…
this sudden dying out of so many large mammalia, not in one place only but over half the land surface of the globe”
What caused that sudden, widespread, recent extinction?
“vast local floods”
Details?
Wallace, A.R. 1876. _The geographical distribution of animals; with a study of the relations of living and extinct faunas as elucidating the past changes of the Earth’s surface_, Volume 1
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It is clear, therefore, that we are now in an altogether exceptional period of the earth’s history.
We live in a zoologically impoverished world, from which all the hugest, and fiercest, and strangest forms have recently disappeared;
and it is, no doubt, a much better world for us now they have gone.
Yet it is surely a marvellous fact, and one that has hardly been sufficiently dwelt upon, this sudden dying out of so many large mammalia, not in one place only but over half the land surface of the globe.
We cannot but believe that there must have been some physical cause for this great change;
and it must have been a cause capable of acting almost simultaneously over large
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portions of the earth’s surface, and one which, as far as the Tertiary period at least is concerned, was of an exceptional character.
Such a cause exists in the great and recent physical change known as “the Glacial epoch.”
We have proof in both Europe and North America, that just about the time these large animals were disappearing, all the northern parts of these continents were wrapped in a mantle of ice; and we have every reason to believe that the presence of this large quantity of ice (known to have been thousands of feet if not some miles in thickness) must have acted in various ways to have produced alterations of level of the ocean as well as vast local floods, which would have combined with the excessive cold to destroy animal life.
There is great difference of opinion among geologists and physicists as to the extent, nature, and duration of the Glacial epoch.
“A lively and smart tour of the various theories of why so many large-bodied animals disappeared around 11,700 years ago.”
— Beth Shapiro, author of _How to Clone a Mammoth_, referring to
Ross D.E. MacPhee, _End of the Megafauna: The Fate of the World’s Hugest, Fiercest, and Strangest Animals_ (2019), 236pp.
picking up at 18:14
The Anthropic Principle and the Big Bang reinforce the traditional design or teleological argument for the existence of God
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Our Sun, 1 of 100 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
Well God did not wipe away the other straws (Stars and solar systems) in the hay stack after he produced our Sun.
Some physicists have begun to advocate that it is more reasonable to believe in a super-intellect which set the values of the constants at the inception of the universe as it is to believe in their random occurrence.
Now to debate this, the minister says we have the book that asks Why is the universe just right for life?
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It doesn’t argue with the math
It does not argue with the Penrose number
It argue with what was our God doing with dinosaurs for so long?
No, no, no, the minister says…
What if there is more than one universe?
This eliminates Designer.
But this cannot be empirically verified.
The simplest explanation works better than an infinite # of universe.
Stephen Hawking said there were big bounces of the universe.
But that’s speculation also.
The design argument is as plausible as the multiverse and big bounce theories.
End of sermon.
“what was our God doing with dinosaurs for so long?”
Who knows.
Maybe having fun making them, and watching them play.
“What if there is more than one universe?
This eliminates Designer”
How so?
“Stephen Hawking said there were big bounces of the universe”
I doubt he said that.
The Russians, yes, per _The Nature of Space and Time_ by Hawking and Penrose (1996), on 19-20
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The oscillating universe model is dead.
17. Appendix on oscillatory model
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Stephen and Porphyry,
Beings on other planets do not look like homo sapiens sapiens.
And we cannot say for a fact, if there is life elsewhere in the universe, it only shows up as homo sapiens sapiens.
On our own planet, a T-Rex is not a homo sapiens sapiens.
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The dolphin is constantly praised for its intelligence, but is it truly smarter than the porpoise? Both have incredible intelligence, but the dolphin wins this battle. They have much more curiosity about their surroundings and the people around them. Dolphins even have names for each other!
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On our own planet, a dolphin is not a homo sapiens sapiens and a dolphin would not have put so much plastic in the oceans.
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“what ocean is near the Great Pyramid and Sphinx?”
The Mediterranean Sea.
“With the flood level, what else was flooded in nearby cities, in the Delta?
If it came from the Mediterranean, what in the Levant was flooded?”
I have no idea.
Fossil Suggests The Great Pyramids And The Sphinx Were Once Submerged Under Water (May 17, 2022)
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Apparently, the entire landscape of the Giza Necropolis, including the Pyramids and the Sphinx, displays signs of erosion.
This has led researchers to suggest that certain areas of this mighty necropolis were once submerged under the sea and a newly discovered fossil makes this theory look a lot more believable.
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Archaeologist Sherif El Morsi, who has worked extensively on the Giza plateau for over two decades, and his colleague Antoine Gigal, were the ones who made the discovery of this controversial fossil, which backs up studies and theories that the Pyramids of Giza and the mighty Sphinx were once submerged under the sea.
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Dr. Robert M. Schoch was one of the first researchers to really address the theory that the structures of the plateau are much older than previously thought.
In the early 90’s, Dr. Schoch suggested that the Sphinx was thousands of years older than archaeologists believed, dating back to 5000-9000 BC, this suggestion was based on the erosion patterns of water found at the monuments and the surrounding rocks.
The western wall of the Sphinx enclosure shows erosion consistently along its length.
Archaeologist Sherif El Morsi has been researching and looking into the mystery ever since.
During one of the photoshoots documenting patterns of erosion of several megaliths in the area, he made an even more surprising discovery that suggests that the entire area was submerged at one moment.
“During one of the documentations of the ancient coastline, I almost tripped with a block of the second level of a temple,” said Mr. Morsi in an article published on the website Gigal Research.
“To my surprise, the bump on the top surface of the block that almost tripped me was in fact an exoskeleton of a fossil of what appears to be an echinoid (sea urchin) which are marine creatures that live in relatively shallow waters.”
Sherif El Morsi suggests that the Giza plateau was once flooded by a surge.
The temple site of Menkare, in particular, may have been a former lagoon when the sea level covered the Necropolis, the Sphinx, the complex of temples and other monuments of the area.
But there are several other theories which different scientists have suggested.
Some researchers believe that the echinoid found on the limestone was actually exposed by erosion and the fossilized creature was part of the original limestone that had formed 30 million years ago.
But Morsi responded to these claims in an interesting way and suggested that the creature was cemented, or petrified, in a relatively recent time, citing evidence that the creature was found placed gravitationally on the floor, that the fossil was in almost perfect condition and was located within the intertidal range of the lagoon, which is a big contrast to the small fish typically found in limestone blocks.
“We can clearly see the pristine condition and the details of the perforations of the exoskeleton, this means that the sea creature must have been petrified in recent times.” – Sherif El Morsi
According to El Morsi, the flooding, was quite significant, peaking at about 75 meters above current sea level and creating a coastline spanning to the Khafra enclosure near the Sphinx at the temple of Menkare.
El Morsi also believes that there is evidence present at the monuments and surrounding blocks that suggest the presence of tidal waves in the past and even suggests an intertidal zone of about two meters.
The Sphinx, the temple of the Sphinx, and the first 20 fields of the Great Pyramid of Giza exhibit erosion due to deep water saturation according to El Morsi.
Dating the exact time of the flood is particularly difficult for researchers since, in the last 140,000 thousand years, sea levels have fluctuated by over 120 meters.
That the Sphinx shows significant erosion is well-known, but I think the theory that it was part of a lagoon (after being completed) is fringe. The mainstream theory is–as far as I understand–that the erosion is due to rainwater runoff. This is particularly pronounced on some parts of the Sphinx because it is built from a natural rock outcrop that is incredibly old–those parts naturally show many millennia of erosion.
“Beings on other planets do not look like homo sapiens sapiens”
Mike Parsons has conferred with humanoid aliens.
Some are living in North Korea-like conditions.
Another group of aliens he interacted with were like living robots– like the Transformers.
Yet another group were living, sentient energy things.
This is in one of his books, probably
_The Restoration of All Things: My continuing journey beyond beyond_ (2023)
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“the Sphinx shows significant erosion”
What’s behind the erosion on Khafre?
contention that the differential erosion patterns on Khafre were caused by an ancient ocean flood
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The flood marks on the Khafre Pyramid however, indicate a fairly (compared to a cosmic impactor) stable rise and fall in the ocean levels over a sustained period of time (years).
The sea sat at this high level for years and then worked its way back to its historical settling.
I do not like this inference particularly, and would instinctively favor an impactor, but it is the only alternative I am left with upon examining the Khafre pyramid.
“I bet Jesus was bored out of his mind for millions of years of dinosaurs”
Being a trinity, God doesn’t need to make creations for entertainment.
Reply to David
1.
provide (someone) with amusement or enjoyment.
2.
give attention or consideration to (an idea, suggestion, or feeling).
God, Jesus–and since you want to bring the Comforter/Holy Spirit into this–gave their attention to dinosaurs for quite some time and you said they didn’t get bored?
If Jesus were the Word and he was there at the beginning, you probably can make that case for the Holy Spirit as well, No?
Do you see any flaws in this reasoning?:
Douglas Axe, _Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed_ (2017), 300pp., on 238
Physical systems are governed by physical laws.
With our minds we are able to control our physical bodies.
Our minds can take precedence over physical laws and are therefore nonphysical.
That which is constrained by physical laws cannot give rise to something that takes precedence over those laws.
Therefore, man did not evolve from the physical.
“God, Jesus–and since you want to bring the Comforter/Holy Spirit into this–gave their attention to dinosaurs for quite some time and you said they didn’t get bored?”
I don’t know whether God did or didn’t get bored with the dinosaurs God created.
I do say that a triune God has no need of entertainment from dinosaurs, because there’s endless and never-boring conversation and interaction within the trinity.
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