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Was Jesus an Atheist with Respect to the Torah? Am I an Atheist with Respect to the Torah. Is there Syncretism in the God of Jesus?
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July 3, 2024 - 2:20 pm

The God of Moses is not the God of Jesus?

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July 3, 2024 - 2:25 pm

This YouTube channel, Esoterica, has a video or two on Yahweh but not on Elohim.

So let’s search.

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July 3, 2024 - 2:30 pm

The historical Jesus depends to a certain extent on Jesus’ god.

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July 3, 2024 - 2:45 pm

I remember when I was writing the Old Testament section of my book Historical Accuracy, James Hoffnmeier, when writing about finding evidence of the Hebrew language in Sinai, mentioned the word El was found in the Sinai.

That was probably in his book Ancient Israel in Sinai.

So the Hebrews of the Exodus knew of El.

But Moses is introduced to Yahweh.

Literal Standard Version
And God speaks to Moses and says to him, “I [am] YHWH,
Exodus 6:2

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July 3, 2024 - 2:51 pm

What is the Kavod of Yahweh?
…in citations dealing with the kavod (“divine glory”), the aspect of God that man can experience, as distinguished from the ultimate reality of God, which is beyond man’s experience or comprehension. Judah was also the author of liturgies and responsa (authoritative answers, or responses, to questions of Jewish law).

Kavod | Judaism – Britannica

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July 3, 2024 - 2:55 pm

Okay, let’s see where we are at the end of investigating all of the above.

If Jesus’ Father was only an amalgamation of philosophical concepts of the first century
then the Hebrew Bible is NOT the sole source of Jesus’ personal theology ! ! !

Do we need a class in Ancient Ugarit? De we need a class in Assyria as the You Tube channel discusses how Yahweh became God.

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July 3, 2024 - 3:01 pm

As Esoterica’s video explains how Yahweh became God, the explanation goes through the Canaanite pantheon got pared down by Assyrian example: THAT’s why we could possibly need a course in Ancient Assyrian culture.

Well an elementary school book could be our introduction:

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Wait, wait, wait: If Yahweh is of the Canaanite pantheon, why then aren’t the Canaanite people the Chosen people?

Answer because God did not need to rescue them from Egyptian slavery in the Egyptian Delta.

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Dr. Ehrman,

I am going to answer a question but I’m hoping you have a better answer. Let us know.

Question:
If Yahweh is of the Canaanite pantheon, why then aren’t the Canaanite people the Chosen people?

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because God did not need to rescue them from Egyptian slavery in the Egyptian Delta.

Bart, what would be your answer?

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July 3, 2024 - 3:50 pm

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July 4, 2024 - 12:15 pm

Dr. Justin Sledge’s Esoterica video, How did Yahweh Become God

So the second part of Isaiah brought us monotheism, leaving henotheism behind.
Yahweh uses King Cyrus as the messiah (the only effective Messiah, he says) of the Jews who were in captivity by the Babylonians.

So instead of accepting the god of your messiah, negate that god and say he is really doing the bidding of your god who couldn’t organically grow a messiah from captive Jews or send a messiah like Moses.

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July 4, 2024 - 12:23 pm

Who is the hidden god of Jesus? El Elyon, and Yahweh is Satan! Elohim (gods) are in Genesis!

The Shashu were the Israelites.

The Shasu (Ancient Egyptian: šꜣsw, possibly pronounced šaswə) were Semitic-speaking pastoral nomads in the Southern Levant from the late Bronze Age to the Early Iron Age or the Third Intermediate Period of Egypt.

– Wikipedia

“Since the only ancient people known to have worshipped a deity named Yahweh in ancient times were the Hebrews or Israelites,” wrote Kennedy, “it also logically follows that these particular shasu nomads associated with Yahweh could be identified with the early Israelites before they became a sedentary population in …Oct 10, 2022

The Soleb Inscription: Earliest-Discovered Use of the Name …
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El was more kind than Yahweh.
Jesus chose El over Yahweh.
Jesus chose El over Yahweh.

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July 4, 2024 - 12:29 pm

So, Steve Campbell, you’ve used Em Manu El to talk about Manu royalty but know it is not Yahweh is with us.
The Gospel of Matthew is TELLING YOU Jesus’ God the Father is El who was the father of the Canaanite pantheon.
Jesus’ God is not Yahweh. There was Yahweh worship going on in Judea while Jesus was outside of Judea in Galilee.

– Sha NaqbaImuru, author of Illuminating the Hidden God of Christ
To Jesus Christ, who sacrificed his life in combating evil, and to the true memory of the Canaanites, a slandered people who had a vast impact on the development of Western civilization and never received proper credit. Trust lost to time.

Dr. Ehrman,
I am disappointed in you.
I just learned that the Gospel of Matthew tells its readers Jesus’ God was not Yahweh but El.
1) Jesus’ name is Emmanu-EL not Emmanu-Yahweh
2) Eli Eli, lema sbachthani, not Yahweh, Yahweh, lema sabachthani.
3) Those who turned Jesus over to the Romans were Yahwists.

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You are a textual critic. You never picked this up?

So we have El and Elyon vs the condensing of the Canaanite pantheon during the Assyrian period into a monotheistic Yahweh but somehow north of Judea where people were not taken into captivity and released by Cyrus and Yahwists claimed Yahweh made Cyrus do this, the Galileans did not buy into that.

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July 5, 2024 - 3:45 pm

I don’t think there is any real evidence that Jesus was anything other than a Torah observant Jew. But Second Temple Judaism was pretty funky. Consequently I suspect that if we knew a lot more about the context and milieu in which Jesus arrived we would find his views much less distinctive. I think in such a context even Paul would turn out to be less of an outrider.

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July 5, 2024 - 4:14 pm

Moses was dealing with Yahweh. Jesus specifically calls on Eli. Jesus specifically disparages Yahweh’s behavior during the Exodus.

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