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Authors Barrie Wilson, Steve Campbell, Robert Price, Robert Eisenman, Ralph Ellis, Bart Ehrman, and Joseph Atwill: On the Historical Saul/Paul
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JAS

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May 11, 2022 - 6:24 am

Npw here, Robert, I have to point out that you are indeed not following the evidence . . . there is absolutely no reason to assume that Steefen has something of value to contribute, unless silence counts.

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Robert
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May 11, 2022 - 3:37 pm

Steefen:  “Just because you are ignoring Ehrman, Mason, and Goldberg do not agree with you and judgement has been rendered, I, for one, am not ignoring the discussion is over because the case has been decided.”

Was that intended as an English sentence?

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JAS

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May 11, 2022 - 4:41 pm

TTHorne56 said
Steefen:  “Just because you are ignoring Ehrman, Mason, and Goldberg do not agree with you and judgement has been rendered, I, for one, am not ignoring the discussion is over because the case has been decided.”

Was that intended as an English sentence?

  

If you print the message, cut out the individual letters and rearrange them, they make a ransom note . . . or it is a chant for raising the Devil — I can’t be sure and don’t want to try, just in case it works.

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May 11, 2022 - 5:03 pm

“judgement has been rendered” — I hope eternal damnation is not part of that judgment.

“the discussion is over”  — One can only hope.

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May 12, 2022 - 12:47 am

TTHorne56 said
Steefen:  “Just because you are ignoring Ehrman, Mason, and Goldberg do not agree with you and judgement has been rendered, I, for one, am not ignoring the discussion is over because the case has been decided.”

Was that intended as an English sentence?

  

Just because you are ignoring Ehrman, Mason, and Goldberg (they do not agree with your Feldman clash) and judgement has been rendered (you eventually agreed with Ehrman and Mason–and perhaps agreed a little less with Feldman), I, for one, am not ignoring the discussion is over (you are ignoring the discussion is over) because the case has been decided.

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JAS

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May 12, 2022 - 5:56 am

Even allowing for the somewhat careless nature of online communications, punctuation is our friend when judiciously used. And in that regard, there are other elements than merely the use of a comma. The general rule of thumb is that the more words strung together without an intervening period, the harder they are to read.

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May 12, 2022 - 7:36 am
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May 12, 2022 - 11:48 am

Robert
Almost everything you’ve said here is mistaken. Nor did I eventually agree with Ehrman and Mason.

Steefen
You are in error. I am not going around in circles with you about whatever you think is a mistake.
The discussion thread has been typed. One time through is enough. Any summation, especially by you, ends in agree to disagree.

Robert
I even explained their position to you years ago.

Steefen
If you are calling participating in the forums “you explaining to me,” that goes both ways, I’ve explained things to you.”

Robert
And the discussion is not over.

Steefen
Because you do not have argumentation skills to reach decisions and advance discussions to conclusions.
Second, you do not know when you are not adding value to a discussion or to a person’s inquiry.
Third, that is probably your way of “requesting budget and consideration” for never-ending scholarship on questions that have become insignificant.
Fourth, you call people back into conversation just for “process”/churn/stall/hope there are newbies so you can go over material ad nauseam–not driving the discussion for progress and next level matters.

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JAS

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May 12, 2022 - 11:55 am

I can assure you that even a newbie can quickly see through the sludge of your posts, Steefen. Pretty much everyone can see through them . . . except you.

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May 12, 2022 - 5:45 pm

JAS said
I can assure you that even a newbie can quickly see through the sludge of your posts, Steefen. Pretty much everyone can see through them . . . except you.

  

As if the body of your contributions are not seen for what they really are, JAS, start with the man in the mirror.

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May 12, 2022 - 6:02 pm

Steefen said

JAS said

I can assure you that even a newbie can quickly see through the sludge of your posts, Steefen. Pretty much everyone can see through them . . . except you.

  

As if the body of your contributions are not seen for what they really are, JAS, start with the man in the mirror.

  

I sure hope that the body of my contributions are seen for what they really are.

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May 12, 2022 - 6:26 pm

JAS said
Even allowing for the somewhat careless nature of online communications, punctuation is our friend when judiciously used. And in that regard, there are other elements than merely the use of a comma. The general rule of thumb is that the more words strung together without an intervening period, the harder they are to read.

  

Yep I’m doing my best to bring back the semicolon.  How else can you write a single sentence like Robert Burton in Anatomy of Melancholy that goes on for five and a half pages?  

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May 12, 2022 - 6:34 pm

Stephen said

JAS said

Even allowing for the somewhat careless nature of online communications, punctuation is our friend when judiciously used. And in that regard, there are other elements than merely the use of a comma. The general rule of thumb is that the more words strung together without an intervening period, the harder they are to read.

  

Yep I’m doing my best to bring back the semicolon.  How else can you write a single sentence like Robert Burton in Anatomy of Melancholy that goes on for five and a half pages?  

  

The semicolon can also be abused, of course. The easiest way to write a single sentence that goes on and on for pages is to leave out all punctuation . . . . unless you want it to be readable. And, of course, a bit of a cheat is to just write a very, very, very long list.

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May 12, 2022 - 9:14 pm

JAS said

Stephen said

JAS said

Even allowing for the somewhat careless nature of online communications, punctuation is our friend when judiciously used. And in that regard, there are other elements than merely the use of a comma. The general rule of thumb is that the more words strung together without an intervening period, the harder they are to read.

  

Yep I’m doing my best to bring back the semicolon.  How else can you write a single sentence like Robert Burton in Anatomy of Melancholy that goes on for five and a half pages?  

  

The semicolon can also be abused, of course. The easiest way to write a single sentence that goes on and on for pages is to leave out all punctuation . . . . unless you want it to be readable. And, of course, a bit of a cheat is to just write a very, very, very long list.

  

Burton is not committing abuse so much as being intoxicated by the english language.  And he is always readable.  The Anatomy is one of those monstrous effulgences like Tristam Shandy or Finnegans Wake  (or Poe’s Eureka for that matter), completely unnecessary but completely priceless.  If you tried to hold it in you would bust.  I don’t suppose I’ll ever read the Anatomy from cover to cover but it’s a great browsing book to take down and read a couple chapters here and there.  But this isn’t really relevant now is it?

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May 13, 2022 - 6:04 am

Robert said

Steefen said

JAS said

I can assure you that even a newbie can quickly see through the sludge of your posts, Steefen. Pretty much everyone can see through them . . . except you.

As if the body of your contributions are not seen for what they really are, JAS, start with the man in the mirror.

What are you trying to say here, Steefen? Do you have a problem with JAS’ posts here? Is it because he, like many others here, do not value your posts as much as you would like us to? Welcome to free speech, sir.

  

His posts would be more tolerable if they made more sense, but failing that (which probably is asking too much) it would just be nice if they were less verbose and less frequent.

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May 13, 2022 - 6:08 am

Stephen said

JAS said

Stephen said

JAS said

Even allowing for the somewhat careless nature of online communications, punctuation is our friend when judiciously used. And in that regard, there are other elements than merely the use of a comma. The general rule of thumb is that the more words strung together without an intervening period, the harder they are to read.

  

Yep I’m doing my best to bring back the semicolon.  How else can you write a single sentence like Robert Burton in Anatomy of Melancholy that goes on for five and a half pages?  

  

The semicolon can also be abused, of course. The easiest way to write a single sentence that goes on and on for pages is to leave out all punctuation . . . . unless you want it to be readable. And, of course, a bit of a cheat is to just write a very, very, very long list.

  

Burton is not committing abuse so much as being intoxicated by the english language.  And he is always readable.  The Anatomy is one of those monstrous effulgences like Tristam Shandy or Finnegans Wake  (or Poe’s Eureka for that matter), completely unnecessary but completely priceless.  If you tried to hold it in you would bust.  I don’t suppose I’ll ever read the Anatomy from cover to cover but it’s a great browsing book to take down and read a couple chapters here and there.  But this isn’t really relevant now is it?

  

It is presumably relevant to Burton scholars, of which there must be at least one or two. Poe’s Eureka is very popular these days in Poe scholarship circles, mostly for reasons that elude me. Mostly, I suspect it is because it has been relatively neglected, and because so much can be read into it (which may seem pointless but allows one to publish and add things to the ole vita).

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