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The Gospel Truth: Sometimes A Little Hazy

One of my all-time favorite interviewers is Terry Gross, the host and co-executive producer of Fresh Air on NPR.  I have done her show six times over the years for various books I’ve written, and it has been a terrific experience each time.  She is an amazing interviewer.  She asks really perceptive questions and knows how to get to what is especially interesting about a guest’s work.

If you’ve listened to her show, you’ll know that it always sounds like she is in the same radio studio with the person she is interviewing, talking to them face to face.  That’s not how it is.  The person being interviewed is physically somewhere else, in a radio studio in their own location, and the interview is happening over headphones and cable hookups.  It certainly never seems that way!  But I’ve never met her face to face.

Here is an interview I did with her on March 4th, 2009 about my book “Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don’t Know About Them).”  The book tries to present information that scholars have long known about the Bible but have not successfully communicated to a wider public.  One of the themes of the book is that this material is presented to (non-fundamentalist) seminary students during their training — so that pastors of churches do know about it.  But they normally do not tell their congregations!

One of the points I make in the book involves some of the familiar stories of the Gospels, such as: What do the Gospels say about Jesus’ birth? How did Judas die? What did Jesus say when he was crucified?  As I point out in the book, and in the interview, the answers to these questions vary from one Gospel to another, and it is probably a mistake to “smash the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think you get the true understanding.”


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  1. rivercrowman  February 16, 2017

    Great interview!

  2. Wilusa  February 16, 2017

    Interviews like this are always interesting!

    I believe you’ve changed certain views, slightly, since 2009 – right? I think you said in this interview that the Synoptic Gospels don’t portray Jesus as “divine”; and you now think they *do* portray him as “divine,” but not on the same level as the Gospel of John (equal to the “Father”). And I think you said in the interview that the term “Son of God,” as used by believers in the “God” of the Jews in that era, always referred to a *non*-“divine” person…and now you’ve concluded it sometimes did imply “divinity.”

    • Bart
      Bart  February 16, 2017

      That’s right, I changed my mind based on more intense research. After thinking about it for over 30 years! It’s good sometimes to realize you were probably wrong….

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